Since I cannot post in the ORG--I thought I would have my own say, and hear what others have to say (OR NOT... GENERALLY THOSE ORG PEOPLE DO NOT VENTURE DOWN TO THE SUN DECK I GATHER)
First things first. To the Sabrologists that figure to have everything explained to the last WAR, OPS, BABIP, etc... there is more to baseball and a team game. Get out of the bubble. Put down the XBox and MLB 2014 and realize that.
To the one poster that said Bench and Morgan only over Votto.
I would take a team full of Pete Rose anyday of the week. Votto may get on base more than Pete. Votto may hit for more power that Pete, well, but Rose could play 2B, 3B, OF. Pete could run the bases. Pete was a leader and a true baseball player. He faced both personal and physical adversity and played through it. Day in and Day out.
Is Votto a better hitter than Perez. Sure, I guess. Is he a better baseball player than Perez.. that is subject for debate.
One thing I do know. You CANNOT take a player by his WAR his OPS his wRC or whatever the hell else you come up with, and definitively say--that person is better, and that person would make the team better.
Sure Votto could walk with the best players in the game, not that I think Votto would walk 130+ times with a line-up of Rose, Morgan, Perez, Bench, Foster... etc. So, yes Joey would have to put the ball in play more... Now, would we get pre-July 2012 Votto, or post July-2012 Votto?
I also wonder how Votto would have held up in that clubhouse.
Just looking at Rose, Bench, and Perez. Here you have multi-year all-stars and MVP's who have a penchant for winning and playing, and above all else, doing and/or adapting their position/game to either the whims of management or to better the team.
Perez All-star third baseman. All-star first baseman
Rose All-star second baseman(moved because of Helms) All-Star/gold glove outfielder (Moved because of Foster) and All-Star third baseman
Bench All-Star catcher that spot started in the outfield, firstbase, and thirdbase (yes I know...to keep his bat in the line-up)
Votto had an opportunity to do this when Yonder Alonzo came up-- and when asked by John Fay, did he say... "I'll do whatever is best to help this team?"
I cannot imagine how the BRM Reds would have responded to that quote.I think Im a pretty good first baseman, Votto said. And I think one the best attributes as a team is infield defense. We have four very good and obviously at second and third great defenders.
Or--better yet... how Votto and his sensitivity would be impacted by the year to year negotiating style of Bob Howsam.
Especially if Votto went in to management and said
or"People didn't expect me to have less power than when I was in my middle-20s, after a couple of knee surgeries and some aging?" Votto said. "Pay attention to the trends, man. It drives me crazy. How could you not expect players to make changes as their career goes along? I'm not the same guy I was five years ago, and I'm not the same guy now that I'll be in five years."
Yeah, not sure that would have went over at all with Howsam--a man that fought tooth and nail over a $2500 raise after the 1970 season with Pete Rose, because Rose failed to win a third consecutive batting title, and consequently did not even lead his team in hitting that year. (Rose hit .316 and Perez hit .317.)"[The decline in power] doesn't mean I can't still be at my peak and do other things that provide value for the team," Votto said. "I think people just wanted me to be a traditional 35-homer, 100-RBI guy, because that's what they saw as a best-case scenario for any corner guy. I think my style of play challenges people to think outside the box, and it challenges people to go against their former ideas of what a good player looks like."
Would Votto have started for the Big Red Machine. Perhaps. I don't think he would have moved out Perez from 1970-1976. If anything, Votto would have been a person that either learned to play thirdbase OR leftfield and Griffey would have been sacrificed.
BUT... that would be assuming that Votto would be at least average on the basepaths. Because, that my friend is something that Morgan, Rose,Perez, and Bench would not have put up with.
So--I think, possibly the line-up would have been