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    I agree to an extent-- but, it is a catch-22 he will need extra base hits and not just singles. Since the injury his extra base hit percentage is down to 8.2%--which is a far cry from 10-12% that he maintained through the pre-injury years.
    You keep posting this stat everywhere. I would think it would make sense that as his BB% goes up his extra base hit % per PA would go down. When you look at the ratio between hits and extra base hits Votto is in line with pre injury numbers.

    2009 - 42%
    2010 - 42%
    2011 - 39%
    2012 - 46% (how freaking insane was that)
    2013 - 32% (he admitted he couldn't get through the zone as quickly)
    2014 - 40%
    MLB average for this stat is 33%

    His BB% went from 14% in 2010 to 19.3% in 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimJim11 View Post
    You keep posting this stat everywhere. I would think it would make sense that as his BB% goes up his extra base hit % per PA would go down. When you look at the ratio between hits and extra base hits Votto is in line with pre injury numbers.

    2009 - 42%
    2010 - 42%
    2011 - 39%
    2012 - 46% (how freaking insane was that)
    2013 - 32% (he admitted he couldn't get through the zone as quickly)
    2014 - 40%
    MLB average for this stat is 33%

    His BB% went from 14% in 2010 to 19.3% in 2014.
    ratio between hits and extra base hits
    I agree with your analysis of Votto PRE-2012 was IMPRESSIVE.
    Furthermore-- In 2012 PRE-injury, Votto had a staggering 51% (47 xbh for 93 hits)

    However--since the injury (and until he consistently proves me wrong in 2014 and beyond...) his ratio between hits and extra base hits is actually 29.9%--or as you pointed out 3% points BELOW MLB average.

    ****EDIT**** Votto ratio between hits and extra base hits is actually 33.3% and NOT 29.9% So, MLB average****

    (77 xbh for 231 hits)
    Last edited by Don Votto; 05-06-2014 at 12:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Votto View Post
    I agree with your analysis of Votto PRE-2012 was IMPRESSIVE.
    And this year is on pace with pre-2012 Votto.


    Thank you and good day.

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    Re: Tony Perez v Joey Votto--My take vs Sabrologists in ORG

    Quote Originally Posted by SlimJim11 View Post
    And this year is on pace with pre-2012 Votto.


    Thank you and good day.
    Ahhh but his overall batting average is down, and because he has less singles now, this lowers his slugging percentage to .459, which in turn explains his .886 OPS to this point.

    So, thank you for playing and the insights. Have a nice May day.
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    Re: Tony Perez v Joey Votto--My take vs Sabrologists in ORG

    Don...do you really want to bet his BA stays at this level all year? I sure wouldn't. I'd also bet his SP is higher than it is now when the season ends.
    No - I am not from State Farm!

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    Re: Tony Perez v Joey Votto--My take vs Sabrologists in ORG

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Votto View Post
    Ahhh but his overall batting average is down, and because he has less singles now, this lowers his slugging percentage to .459, which in turn explains his .886 OPS to this point.

    So, thank you for playing and the insights. Have a nice May day.


    Care to give a prediction where Joey's numbers turn up at the end of the year?
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    Re: Tony Perez v Joey Votto--My take vs Sabrologists in ORG

    Sure... My crystal ball projects these numbers for Votto

    .298/.426/.455/.882

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    Re: Tony Perez v Joey Votto--My take vs Sabrologists in ORG

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Votto View Post
    Sure... My crystal ball projects these numbers for Votto

    .298/.426/.455/.882
    I'll take the over on OPS.
    "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

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    I'm with jake. I take Klu over either.

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    I wonder what Votto's wRC+ is after this stellar two games in Boston.

    Does anybody else feel that fear factor that pitchers used to have with Votto is now gone?

    The reason?

    He can't hit a fastball anymore.

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    He sure is great at looking at ball 4...

    And strike 3

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    Re: Tony Perez v Joey Votto--My take vs Sabrologists in ORG

    Jose Abreu is at 143...

    Anybody who says Votto is having a better season than Abreu so far is stoned.

    wRC+ > not much

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    Re: Tony Perez v Joey Votto--My take vs Sabrologists in ORG

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy Jones View Post
    I wonder what Votto's wRC+ is after this stellar two games in Boston.

    Does anybody else feel that fear factor that pitchers used to have with Votto is now gone?

    The reason?

    He can't hit a fastball anymore.
    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...1B#pitchvalues

    Joey Votto - still hitting the fastball well above-average, though not as good as he has in past years. Of course it is May 7th and he hasn't had a single hot streak yet this season.

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    Also, this thread has been very enlightening.


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