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    Sickels Top 150 Prospects

    Not sure if this was mentioned here, but it should be given that Sickels IMO is the best in the biz at the prospect game. He released his Top 150 prospects as of May 1, and the Reds look like this:

    8. Stephenson
    43. Winker
    73. Hamilton
    80. Ervin
    134. Lively

    http://www.minorleagueball.com/2014/...l-john-sickels

    Not much to argue with here, although I'd probably replace Hamilton with Yorman Rodriguez (now that Hamilton is graduated), and Ervin with Michael Lorenzen if he can continue to perform and improve his K rates in AA. 73 and 80 might be a bit high for those guys, as I think somewhere in the 90s is more realistic. Ditto for Lively, who should certainly garner top 100 consideration given his other-worldly start to the season. Ervin has fallen off the map with an abysmal start to the season - probably unlikely to deserve top 100 and possibly even top 150 consideration, unless he picks up significantly in the next month or two. Travieso is the one other guy I should mention here, he probably currently deserves to get mention in the 100-150 range.
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    Re: Sickels Top 150 Prospects

    It's a shame when a 21 year old high draft pick goes splat at low A.

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    Pretty high praise for Stephenson. Ahead of names like Baez, Lindor, Sano, Gausman, Bryant, Correa, Ventura, Walker, Abreu...

    Would anyone trade Stepenson straight up for Baez or Lindor? I might be tempted. How about Yordano Ventura or Tajaun Walker? How about Abreu (current major league HR leader)?
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    I think if you have someone like Stephenson you don't trade him in any realistic scenario.

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    Re: Sickels Top 150 Prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    It's a shame when a 21 year old high draft pick goes splat at low A.
    Something to keep in mind. When you get good coaching, or someone is coaching you to do something physically different than you have in the past, there's a tendency to struggle for a bit while pushing out the old muscle memory and imprinting the new. If I had to guess, I'd say Ervin is going through this process right now. Whether he makes it past that or not is up to him, as it's probably more psychological than physical, I'm sure.
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    Re: Sickels Top 150 Prospects

    I'm curious if redsof72 has any insight on Ervin's struggles. This (so far) is likely the worst full season debut of any Reds first round pick in the last 15 years given their expected level and expectations.
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    Re: Sickels Top 150 Prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Pretty high praise for Stephenson. Ahead of names like Baez, Lindor, Sano, Gausman, Bryant, Correa, Ventura, Walker, Abreu...

    Would anyone trade Stepenson straight up for Baez or Lindor? I might be tempted. How about Yordano Ventura or Tajaun Walker? How about Abreu (current major league HR leader)?
    Lindor - no. Baez - before this year I would've been very tempted. However he is looking like Phil Ervin so far this year in AAA, so I'd take a cautious approach. Addison Russell is another guy I'd consider.

    Wouldn't trade him for any other arm. Abreu doesn't have anywhere to play on this team, unless we're going to revisit the Votto-to-LF discussions
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    Ervin is going to be fine. I honestly can't say what's going on, because I don't know. But the plate approach has improved and he still has a very quick bat and can hit the ball very hard. Guys like that don't tend to keep struggling in the long run.

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    Re: Sickels Top 150 Prospects

    Irvins problem is he is coming off of wrist surgery. Really takes 6 to 9 months to recover from this..

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    Re: Sickels Top 150 Prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by bellhead View Post
    Irvins problem is he is coming off of wrist surgery. Really takes 6 to 9 months to recover from this..
    The wrist injury may be part of the reason for the lack of power thus far, and I fully buy into that theory. The wrist injury may even be why he struggled the first few weeks with his terrible plate discipline as he had to play catch up since he was behind on all of his offseason work. Of course,it may not be the reason at all. We don't really know.

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    Re: Sickels Top 150 Prospects

    I'm the opposite. Experience has shown me that the "still lingering injury" thing never quite turns out to be it. Yonder's power would be back as soon as his hamate is better. Ryan Lamarre had an ankle that bothered him all year, just wait till that is fixed.

    At this point, Ervin is off my radar.
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    Re: Sickels Top 150 Prospects

    It's way too early for me to give up in Ervin.

    He was so good last season, that I can't see him falling off this fast. Prospects flame out, but I think it's more to do with the wrist for Ervin right now.

    Those injuries can take a while, and can take some time to readjust, to the changes you make to accommodate hand/wrist pain/injury.

    If anything, I would be a little more concerned with the fact that he's still not playing much CF. Either the ankle is still bothering him, or the Reds don't think his future is there. At which point his value takes a bit of a hit, as a COF with Winker ahead of him.

    Maybe he could play some 2B?

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    Re: Sickels Top 150 Prospects

    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    I'm the opposite. Experience has shown me that the "still lingering injury" thing never quite turns out to be it. Yonder's power would be back as soon as his hamate is better. Ryan Lamarre had an ankle that bothered him all year, just wait till that is fixed.

    At this point, Ervin is off my radar.
    There is a very, very long history of wrist injuries that take about a year to return the whole power output thing.

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    Re: Sickels Top 150 Prospects

    I kinda like seeing players struggle in the Minors because when they get to the MLB level they learn how to deal with it better. Three players that I always use for this example are Jeff Francouer, Delmon Young, and Jeremy Hermida.
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