How fast is Lorenzen's gas?
"Iíll kind of have a foot on the back of my own butt. Thatís just how I do things.Ē -- Bryan Price, 10/22/2013
He has touched triple digits but his fb sits more at 94-95. He can dial that up a bit to 97-98 without a lot of effort. I haven't seen enough game action with him on the mound to verify this first hand but I have heard that his fb sorta flattens out when he pushes it, though, so he may be guy that gets more life and action when he keeps it dialed back just a bit. A pitch f/x report I saw, said he was still raw with the change, mainly not getting enough diff in the spin rate to make it drop enough and that his slider was on-off. The curveball wrinkle is new and exciting - this guy learns easily and the milb action I have seen shows how effortlessly he pitches. He isn't a "grunter" when he reaches back for extra - it comes smooth. I picked Lorenzen for all these reasons - his upside is just startling. Yes, he is unpolished and learning but by leaps and bounds. His arm is very much like Stephenson's in that the upside is off the charts.
When you combine these two with Travieso's progress this year and the upside in his arm, and Lively's polished pitchability....man I love what's ahead. Not even talking the possibilities in Guillon, Garrett, Kivel and Contreras.
Last edited by RedlegJake; 05-21-2014 at 10:54 AM.
"If this was a court of law, the cross examination would go after the credibility of the witness." Homer Bailey on Latos snarking on the team after his trade
I think the only reason Travieso isn't winning the poll is because everyone quickly piled on the belief that he was a bust last year. *hides*
"Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."
I was one of the ones that quickly said he was a bust last year. I admit I was wrong (so far). I picked Lorenzen because he has a bigger arm, that's it. I rank Travieso ahead of Lively.
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scout after scout seems to wonder how he is going to pitch as he moves up because of the stuff.
I am a Lively fan. He's a top 10 Reds guy. Right now, he is one of their five best pitching prospects. But there is a pecking order. Stephenson - Travieso/Lorenzen - Lively/Moscot/Contreras - A group of good arms with a lot to prove still.will be interesting to see if he can sustain his success when he inevitably gets called up to Double-A
Don't think so. Lorenzen is winning on his own merits, I would say.I think the only reason Travieso isn't winning the poll is because everyone quickly piled on the belief that he was a bust last year.
I don't think it was necessarily a "Travieso is a bust" chorus. It was, "he's not pitching at all like a first rounder -- concern warranted." Bust suggests the guy is toast, and not many, if any, were saying that.
"Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini
I remember hearing the same nonsense about Cingrani. "Oh, he won't be able to keep this up when he moves up a level or two."
We shall find out soon enough.
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Cingrani also throws 95
No one is saying Lively doesn't have potential. People are saying Lorenzen and Travieso have better arms and a higher ceiling. They probably have higher ceilings than Cingrani as well.
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You've got to give the Reds a ton of credit, they've done a great job drafting and developing pitchers under the current regime. Of the group listed I give a slight edge to Lorenzen but it's a darn good group.
Cingrani is a lefty who has topped out at 97.5 MPH. Lively tops out around 94. As a righty.
Second note: Just because Tony Cingrani did something you heard he couldn't doesn't mean that we should just assume others will too. That's really bad logic. Elizardo Ramirez was that guy, until he wasn't. David Holmberg was that guy, until he wasn't. Chris Manno was that guy, until he wasn't. And those are just the Reds guys off of the top of my head who put up some silly numbers once upon a time with ok enough stuff, but nothing special. Maybe Lively bucks the trend to, but simply because Tony Cingrani had similar questions about him doesn't mean that we should be using that as the reason Lively will also do it.
Course, we could also use Cingrani as a cautionary tale that, yes, sometimes guys do explode expectations.