Turn Off Ads?
Page 4 of 30 FirstFirst 1234567814 ... LastLast
Results 46 to 60 of 436

Thread: It's time to "Blow it up".

  1. #46
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    Lexington
    Posts
    6,423

    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    If they want to add Cueto to Kershaw & Greinke? Jonny Cueto and Brandon Phillips for Joc Pederson, Hyun-Jin Ryu (6yrs/$36M thru 2018) plus Corey Seager or Alexander Guerrero and a top young arm (possibly even Seager AND Guerrero). Want a lot? Pay a lot.

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #47
    Arbiter of Good Taste OGB's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    1,163

    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    IMHO, if they deal a SP, a top SS prospect needs to be the target. No exceptions.
    I may not be fast, but I sure am slow.

  4. #48
    Viva la Rolen kaldaniels's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    8,188

    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by OGB View Post
    IMHO, if they deal a SP, a top SS prospect needs to be the target. No exceptions.
    Which is a very sane idea, especially if you view Winker as eventually making it.

  5. #49
    Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    713

    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by OGB View Post
    IMHO, if they deal a SP, a top SS prospect needs to be the target. No exceptions.
    Absolutely, though to be fair there are probably 20 other teams that feel the same way. There simply aren't a lot of above average offensive shortstops, which is why those that have elite SS prospects are so reluctant to give them up. I'd like to see the team get better and if that means getting a top tier SS prospect, that's great but I'm not hanging up the phone if someone offers the equivalent of a James Shields for Wil Myers deal for whatever SP ends up getting shopped.

  6. #50
    Member joshua's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    1,191

    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Cueto to Minnesota for Byron Buxton and Danny Santana.

  7. #51
    Member Beltway's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    411

    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Here's my take. There is one huge question right now. Should the Reds trade Johnny Cueto at the deadline for a boatload of talent. Maybe add Broxton if he's still doing so well. Maybe add another player, someone non-core.

    No blow up is happening here. The Reds have three large contracts worth near $400 million which won't be seen as attractive by clubs. Reds ain't trading inexpensive kids and controllable assets. They aren't ripping the team apart, nor should they.

    Latos unfortunately has lost value due to injury. Leake has value, sure, but probably fits the Reds' payroll going forward.

    Cueto is the big chip. He brings a big return. it would be very, very tough to take for Reds fans. But there's a compelling case to be made that a trade of Cueto plus some other goodies at the deadline gets this team the youth it needs to reload with controllable, inexpensive talent. And saves the Reds another huge contract that Johnny would soon require.

    I'm sure this won't go over well, but it's one poster's view of reality.

    Another possibility is Chapman but he's now cemented as a reliever and won't bring as much, and he's in the Reds' control longer. No, the key question is whether to re-stock with a big Cueto trade. And that's the kind of trade you make at the deadline, when teams are desperate to make the playoffs or go far this year.

    That's the big decision and the Reds have to consider it and maybe test the waters.
    I wonder if there's some way Walt could get Stanton for Cueto with some other players/prospects to balance out the deal. He's worked some amazing deals in the past, so I wouldn't put something like that past him.

  8. #52
    Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Posts
    713

    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by Beltway View Post
    I wonder if there's some way Walt could get Stanton for Cueto with some other players/prospects to balance out the deal. He's worked some amazing deals in the past, so I wouldn't put something like that past him.
    Why does Miami want Cueto? He'd be a FA before they're legitimate contenders.

  9. #53
    Member Beltway's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    411

    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by nmculbreth View Post
    Why does Miami want Cueto? He'd be a FA before they're legitimate contenders.
    Why does Miami do anything it does? Do you know what the strategy of the Miami front office is? I ask because I don't think anyone actually knows, maybe not even people in the Miami front office.

    Also, Miami is looking like a contender right now.

  10. #54
    Stat geek...and proud
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    New Paris, OH
    Posts
    2,615

    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by joshua View Post
    Cueto to Minnesota for Byron Buxton and Danny Santana.
    That one ain't happening. Minnesota wouldn't even take that call.

  11. #55
    Member klw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    New England
    Posts
    6,603

    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    For a guide to what the Reds could/ should demand for Cueto, the Cubs and Samardzija is a decent guide.
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/0...amardzija.html
    Should look for more than the Garza return as he was only a rental.

  12. #56
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Posts
    3,759

    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by Beltway View Post
    I wonder if there's some way Walt could get Stanton for Cueto with some other players/prospects to balance out the deal. He's worked some amazing deals in the past, so I wouldn't put something like that past him.
    I was actually going to propose a trade of Giancarlo Stanton for Aroldis Chapman, Robert Stephenson, Yorman Rodriguez or Phil Ervin, and Jeremy Kivel. I think Miami maybe considers because a) Stanton is an OF, b) Stanton is about to get really expensive, c) Chapman is an attendance winner and great pitcher d) with Fernandez down, this year is out the door e) the prospects should fit nicely with the other kids they have coming up and when they will be ready and Chapman will still be under their control at that time. I would rather not trade Cueto if I can help it and if I do, it is for a different kind of package.

    Someone also mentions that who knows what Miami's front office does.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Any deal opens up for Broxton, I do that in a heartbeat, at any point in time.

  13. #57
    Member Old school 1983's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    1,914

    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    I'm not sure what the infatuation with dealing bullpen arms is. We saw what the pen looks like without them. I say keep them in place unless you're blown away. I'd like to think that Leake and or Simon would bring the type if iffensive upgrade the Reds need to add to their core. IMO that's wishful thinking. Not impossible if you get a desperate GM but they won't probably fetch a top prospect or established MLB star. To get the offensive upgrade the Reds need, they are going to have to more than likely let go of someone they dont want to. I think it pretty much comes down to how much faith they have in Stephenson Lorenzen et al making an impact late this year or next year. If they believe they can be viable pitchers in the rotation, I think a move could be made involving a pitcher.

  14. Likes:

    OGB (05-29-2014)

  15. #58
    Flash the leather! _Sir_Charles_'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Houston, Texas
    Posts
    8,675

    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    FWIW, the Reds are currently 7.5 games out of first. Exactly where they were 1 month ago today. So as bad as we've played this past month, we haven't LOST any ground.
    Chapman to the rotation!!!! Do it already!!!!

  16. Likes:

    HeatherC1212 (05-29-2014)

  17. #59
    Member Old school 1983's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    1,914

    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    As far as LF goes, I really think the Reds need to see what Lutz can do everyday before trading for another teams prospect. IMO Lutz is probably a better alternative to what is being run out there everyday. If he does well, he coukd become a nice trade chip himself

  18. #60
    Member joshua's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    1,191

    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by gilpdawg View Post
    That one ain't happening. Minnesota wouldn't even take that call.
    I could talk 'em into it.


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25