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    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Trading either Cueto or Latos when they're both under control for next year would be tough for me to swallow.

    But at the same time Cueto's value is never going to be higher. If you could pull in a haul for him, it would have to be somethng to consider.
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    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    What's to blow up on the field? Everyone worth a darn is under a heavy contract. Could the main source of the problem be the front office?

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    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by Carin4Narron View Post
    What's to blow up on the field? Everyone worth a darn is under a heavy contract. Could the main source of the problem be the front office?
    Curious as to which one of Cueto, Latos, Cingrani, Leake, Chapman, Bruce, and Frazier is under a heavy contract?
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    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Any above average/elite player who is over his 6 years of service time is going to end up with a "heavy" contract of some sort.

    Can't give those out to everyone obviously, and should always look for cheap talent where we can, but you have to pay up sometime.

    Or we could be the Astros I guess.
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    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    I have no interest in this idea at all. I could see trading 1 starting pitcher if we fall out of it in July. I could see trading a Ludwick or a Broxton type if we're out of it in July. That isn't blowing it up though.

    I still consider 2015 to be a potentially good season and even if/when this season is toast, we have limited moves that won't hurt our 2015 chances.

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    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Five year plans are for losers

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    IE, "Blowing it up" because of injuries is a loser move.

    Making trades to strengthen weaknesses is always welcomed, blowing it up is bad press, bad industry buzz, bad business.

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    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
    Absolutely 100 percent a legitimate question.

    Cueto.
    Latos.
    Leake.

    Trade? Let walk after next year? Give a LTC?
    I would argue Leake is probably a bigger sell high than Cueto right now. Cueto is a lockdown ace that for whatever reason hasn't been perceived that way by most nationally. Leake has put up some really good numbers and been durable so I'm sure there is some market and I'm just not sure I like him any better going forward than some combo of guys like Cingrani or Simon... and that is not to mention the looming RStephenson call-up.

    For me...
    Cueto LTC
    Latos HOLD
    Leake Trade at deadline if out of it

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    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by swaisuc View Post
    I have no interest in this idea at all. I could see trading 1 starting pitcher if we fall out of it in July. I could see trading a Ludwick or a Broxton type if we're out of it in July. That isn't blowing it up though.

    I still consider 2015 to be a potentially good season and even if/when this season is toast, we have limited moves that won't hurt our 2015 chances.
    I'd think Walt would love to be able to trade Ludwick. Problem is, he has no trade value. None.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by CySeymour View Post
    I'd think Walt would love to be able to trade Ludwick. Problem is, he has no trade value. None.
    I don't agree with this. Teams are always looking for bench bats at the deadline without long-term commitments and I think he could be flipped, even if we had to pay some of the money and even if the return wasn't much.

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    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    I'm not so sure that Cueto's value is as high as estimated. He just came off an injury riddled season and has pitched great for two months of this season. That gives the recipient leverage to lower his FMV in a trade. My trade target of the staff remains Cingrani, Leake second if you're talking in season. In the offseason, make a call on who you can and would most like to extend and shop the other between Cueto and Latos.
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    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by swaisuc View Post
    I don't agree with this. Teams are always looking for bench bats at the deadline without long-term commitments and I think he could be flipped, even if we had to pay some of the money and even if the return wasn't much.
    I've read that Ludwick has a $4.5 million buy out clause if his team doesn't exercise his 2015 option. So, in addition to his remaining salary for 2014, any new team would owe him $4.5 million this off-season. Or they could exercise for 2015 and pay him $9 million.

    Not that attractive a contract for an acquiring team looking for bench help, assuming the reports are correct on this.

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    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by Old school 1983 View Post
    As far as LF goes, I really think the Reds need to see what Lutz can do everyday before trading for another teams prospect. IMO Lutz is probably a better alternative to what is being run out there everyday. If he does well, he coukd become a nice trade chip himself
    the biggest needs are LF and SS going forward... why would you trade someone who does well at LF (if he does..) to get someone for LF?!
    I donīt really get the logic..
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    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
    I'm not so sure that Cueto's value is as high as estimated. He just came off an injury riddled season and has pitched great for two months of this season. That gives the recipient leverage to lower his FMV in a trade. My trade target of the staff remains Cingrani, Leake second if you're talking in season. In the offseason, make a call on who you can and would most like to extend and shop the other between Cueto and Latos.
    I get the point, but since Cingrani is a relatively cheap player, aren't the Reds likely to keep him above all? And won't his injuries (back, shoulder) hold down his trade value?

    You may well be right as a baseball matter, that he's the first one to trade, but it's difficult to see it from a financial perspective.

    I do agree with you that Cueto could well be perceived as an injury risk. But the Reds have to see this as well, in terms of an LTC. That's why Leake is probably the likely signee for the Reds, healthy, low leverage thrower, and probably cheaper than the others.

    As always, this will come down to the specific offers for specific players.
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    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I've read that Ludwick has a $4.5 million buy out clause if his team doesn't exercise his 2015 option. So, in addition to his remaining salary for 2014, any new team would owe him $4.5 million this off-season. Or they could exercise for 2015 and pay him $9 million.

    Not that attractive a contract for an acquiring team looking for bench help, assuming the reports are correct on this.
    The Reds would probably have to kick in the cash for the buyout. They're on the hook for it anyway. If they can get a half-decent prospect out of it, it beats nothing.
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    Re: It's time to "Blow it up".

    Trading Cingrani and Leake instead of Cueto or Latos? In a few years we would have a $300 million rotation.


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