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    John Wayne Family suing Duke University

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    Re: John Wayne Family suing Duke University

    F--- Puke University.

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    On the one hand, I would agree that it's difficult to say that the word "Duke" refers to Duke University any more than the word "Ohio" refers to The Ohio State University. On the other hand, I find it unseemly that John Wayne's family seems so intent on cashing in on his name that they're constantly trying to put "Duke" on everything from Bourbon to charcoal. I'm all for the heirs of an estate being able to reap the ongoing benefits of the work a person created while they were alive. Plenty of successful people set things up so that their family can benefit from their work beyond their lifetime. But I just feel put off by families who use the famous name as an ATM post mortem. I question whether John Wayne would have really wanted his name to be on a bottle of Bourbon or a bag of charcoal, or if he would have endorsed Coors beer. Just like I wonder if Fred Astaire would have approved of his family allowing Ginger Rogers to be replaced by a Dirt Devil vacuum in a Super Bowl ad. (I don't know if Elvis would have approved of people making little statues of him where the head screws off and there's whiskey inside, but in his case, I figure he'd think it was pretty cool).
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    Re: John Wayne Family suing Duke University

    How ironic that Marion "Duke" died of lung cancer and that Duke is funded by tobacco money.

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    Re: John Wayne Family suing Duke University

    Quote Originally Posted by Yachtzee View Post
    On the one hand, I would agree that it's difficult to say that the word "Duke" refers to Duke University any more than the word "Ohio" refers to The Ohio State University. On the other hand, I find it unseemly that John Wayne's family seems so intent on cashing in on his name that they're constantly trying to put "Duke" on everything from Bourbon to charcoal. I'm all for the heirs of an estate being able to reap the ongoing benefits of the work a person created while they were alive. Plenty of successful people set things up so that their family can benefit from their work beyond their lifetime. But I just feel put off by families who use the famous name as an ATM post mortem. I question whether John Wayne would have really wanted his name to be on a bottle of Bourbon or a bag of charcoal, or if he would have endorsed Coors beer. Just like I wonder if Fred Astaire would have approved of his family allowing Ginger Rogers to be replaced by a Dirt Devil vacuum in a Super Bowl ad. (I don't know if Elvis would have approved of people making little statues of him where the head screws off and there's whiskey inside, but in his case, I figure he'd think it was pretty cool).
    I don't mind it at all. He could have set it up so that they weren't allowed to do it if he wanted to, but he didn't. My guess is he would probably rather them live comfortably because of the money they make off of it than well, him not worry about how it doesn't actually effect him since he isn't around.

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    Re: John Wayne Family suing Duke University

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    I don't mind it at all. He could have set it up so that they weren't allowed to do it if he wanted to, but he didn't. My guess is he woud probably rather them live comfortably because of the money they make off of it than well, him not worry about how it doesn't actually effect him since he isn't around.
    I don't think John Wayne or anyone else could have foreseen the technological advances and monetization of a person's image to the degree that it would allow people to insert the dead into advertising using a body double with digital imaging and audio manipulation. I also wouldn't presume to know what the deceased would want regarding the use of their work or likeness by future generations. There are case books full of law involving attempts by the deceased to control their legacy and attempts by their family to circumvent their wishes.

    It's common for those of us who don't have wealth to presume that those with wealth would wish to set up their heirs to live comfortably in the future. I think that comes from most of us wishing we had some wealthy relative who would leave us a bunch of money. Many wealthy people do set their family up to live comfortably, But many wealthy people also try to limit family contol of their estate and even prevent inheritance, whether it's to prevent those family members from becoming wasteful or greedy, or just because the deceased didn't like certain family members. But when the potential to control wealth and/or valuable assets come into play, that's when the lawyers get hired to challenge wills and trusts.

    That being said, I know of nothing to indicate that Wayne didn't want his family to slap his likeness on anything they wished. If they want to o ut Duke Bourbon or Duke Charcoal out there, or have his likeness digitally inserted into Super Bowl ads, so be it. But I still feel it's unseemly. Not illegal, just unseemly. I prefer to remember the dead for what they actually did rather than for what technology can make them do now.
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