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    Re: Could Rey Navarro outperform Zack Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Maybe he's just lost power for some reason. Or maybe it's simply that, just bad luck, he has only 2 homers this year, very low for him and pulling his power numbers down. Any thoughts on this?
    I just took a quick look at his zone profile at Brooks Baseball and was shocked to see just how terrible he has been on dead red middle of the zone pitches. The strikezone can be split into 9 squares. The one directly in the middle, ideally, should be the best one to hit from. Last year Cozart had 7 home runs on pitches there. His IsoP was .484 at that part of the zone. This year? He doesn't have a single extra-base hit in that area of the strikezone on 31 balls put in play. That's really hard to even figure out.

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    Re: Could Rey Navarro outperform Zack Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by tomnuetten View Post
    .. while I doubt that heŽll be a great mlb player I do think that he has a place in this league (as soon as he gets expensive heŽll be a utility player) ...
    Why would a major league average SS be relegated to the bench because you are paying him more money.

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    Re: Could Rey Navarro outperform Zack Cozart?

    I thought the thread title could have been "Could R. Santiago outperform Zach Cozart?"

    Although Santiago is years past his prime as a defensive SS, his current slash line trumps that of Cozart.

    Santiago .255 /.352/ .309/ .660

    Cozart .227/ .279/ .296/ .574

    If it's offense that they need, then Santiago at SS and Lutz in LF (along with Pena at 1B) would add some lefty offense
    -- if Bruce isn't going to supply it.

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    Re: Could Rey Navarro outperform Zack Cozart?

    I'm just not sure.

    But I think Dave Navarro could.

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    Re: Could Rey Navarro outperform Zack Cozart?

    Cozart 2014 - .225/.276/.293/.569 in 96 games


    Janish 2009 - .211/.296/.305/.601 in 90 games
    Janish 2010 - .260/.338/.385/.723 in 82 games
    Janish 2011 - .214/.259/.262/.521 in 114 games


    Cozart seems determined this season to go full Janish. You never go full Janish.
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    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Could Rey Navarro outperform Zack Cozart?

    Navarro tonight: 3-4, 2 2B, RBI
    Cozart tonight: 0-3


    Navarro (AAA): .316/.356/.471/.827
    Cozart (MLB): .219/.268/.283/.552
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: Could Rey Navarro outperform Zack Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    He started off with a good 11 games, but he was never really expected to hit for an average or get on base. He had solid pop, and good pop for a shortstop. He is the catcher of shortstops. Has some power, can field but can't hit.
    I believe you meant "solid pop-up" and "good pop-up".

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    Re: Could Rey Navarro outperform Zack Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    I'm just not sure.

    But I think Dave Navarro could.

    Well anyone who could keep Carmen Elektra occupied for more than a month is pretty good in my book.

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    Re: Could Rey Navarro outperform Zack Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Cozart 2014 - .225/.276/.293/.569 in 96 games


    Janish 2009 - .211/.296/.305/.601 in 90 games
    Janish 2010 - .260/.338/.385/.723 in 82 games
    Janish 2011 - .214/.259/.262/.521 in 114 games


    Cozart seems determined this season to go full Janish. You never go full Janish.

    Popzart seems determined to go full Hal Lanier, Johnny LeMaster, Duane Kiper and Rey Oyler. Did I leave anyone out?

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    Re: Could Rey Navarro outperform Zack Cozart?

    i would like to see him come up, but it seems Cozart has a FREE pass to fail on offense with ZERO accountability for it. If i could afford it, i would buy Cozart the device from a website they advertise sometimes during games http://www.speedhitter.com/.. then maybe would care his offense is killing the team when they need it and BRUCE TOO!!!!

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    Re: Could Rey Navarro outperform Zack Cozart?

    DIDI should be a Red, dumb move to rely on Cozart. He can't hit, period. Gregorius would be a great for this team. I would take the Choo trade back right now if possible. Our lineup with all the injuries would be still somewhat dangerous.

    Hamilton, Gregorius, Frazier, Mesoraco, Bruce, Stubbs, Pena, Cozart

    Since that is old news. I would DFA Hannahan and Skip right now. Call up F Perez and Navarro.

    Hamilton, Navarro, Frazier, Mesoraco, Bruce, Ludwick, F Perez, Santiago. In this scenario Luddy is at 1B, Perez is in LF and Navarro at 2B.

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    Re: Could Rey Navarro outperform Zack Cozart?

    Cozart's 52 wRC+ places him dead last, easily, in MLB among qualified hitters. Only one other hitter is below 60. Only 3 others are below 70. Only 8 others are below 80. He's been 19.1 runs below average offensive.

    The crazy part is that he's been 16.5 runs above average defense, making him the 3rd most productive defensive player in baseball. He's basically Brendan Ryan.

    I have no idea about Rey Navarro and what he's capable of doing, but I know the bar isn't very high.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Could Rey Navarro outperform Zack Cozart?

    Going into tonight the NL average OPS for the shortstop position was .695.

    The Reds OPS for the shortstop position was .564, last in the league.

    I don't think you can have such a huge gap between your hitters and league average at any of the 8 positions. Cozart's offense was never that good, but really has taken a dive this season.
    Last edited by Kc61; 08-03-2014 at 01:56 AM.

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    Re: Could Rey Navarro outperform Zack Cozart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    Popzart seems determined to go full Hal Lanier, Johnny LeMaster, Duane Kiper and Rey Oyler. Did I leave anyone out?
    Mark Belanger, Rafeal Santana, Ray Ordonez, off the top of my head.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.

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    Re: Could Rey Navarro outperform Zack Cozart?

    Cozart is a fascinating creature. He's beyond terrible at the plate, but still is 1 win player according to fWAR.
    "Man, the pitch looks fast, even in slow motion." Thom Brennaman on Chapman's fastball.


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