"Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."
Dang, it's not my money? I always love this response - the old cliche and the unlimited ATM argument that a bad contract has no impact on the franchise. All along I thought it was my money, whew I feel so much better
Just look at the Dodgers and see what kind of production they are getting from Kemp, Ethier, Crawford and Ramirez. And how many millions do they have tied in these players and how they desperately are trying to unload Kemp, Ethier and Crawford? Dodgers can spend their money out of trouble. The Reds can't. The return in value after you sign a player to a longterm deal (already mentioned) is more negative than positive. The financial restraints have shown this season with a weak bench. What happens when Latos and Leake hit free agency? And down the road when Frazier and Mesorasco become arbitration eligible and they approach free agency. Bottom line is Votto's contract gets bigger each passing year and they will still be paying on Phillips. It isn't how much money you are spending but how you're spending it on a roster. If we can't get a decent bench now because of financial restraints, what's this team going to look like 3 to five years from now?
If you think small, you'll go nowhere in life.
The Reds organization is much improved from when they signed Griffey to that deal.We have a much better team as well.
Both sides of the argument are speculating. It's just too soon to tell.
The guys with big contracts could have great years in the future and lead the team to great things. Or they could all be on the DL for the next five years and barely contribute. We just don't know yet.
And frankly we don't really know the impact of these deals on the Reds' finances and ability to acquire other players.
It's rank speculation, both pro and con. What we do know is that all three big contract players are relatively young (or young enough) and hopefully will be productive going forward.
This is like the debate over the Rolen/EE/Stewart trade or the Francisco/Hoover trade. First it seemed one team "won" then it maybe switched, then maybe switched again, but maybe not. Fluid situations require patience to see. Let's see on these LTCs with the passage of time.
Last edited by Kc61; 07-24-2014 at 07:34 PM.
FWIW, notwithstanding the ;arge amount of injuries we've had this season, if Votto had simply been Votto all year I have little doubt we'd be in first place.
Why do the Reds have a weak bench? I'm not trying to single you out because it is posted over and over and over on this board. What team has 5 all star caliber players sitting on their bench ready to fill in as soon as injuries start? Schumaker, Pena, Santiago, Heisey are not terrible bench players. They have all been over exposed because they're starting far too frequently but that is basically what defines a bench player.
The older I get - the better I was
and yes - I hate the Cardinals (Reds fan since 1958)
And the gum smacks are the pulse they'll follow if their walkman fades...
You are confusing risk vs dumb. Although one could think the almost universally dismal history of recent market defining MLB contracts was overlooked by mgmt
The Reds played a bold, but very risky hand with this one. So far the draw hasn't been particularly fruitful and a massive amount of Bob's chips are left out on the table hoping the flop turns out at least reasonably well.
Several folks mention the loaded roster and tons of talent on the team. It sure doesn't feel that way. Not even if all were healthy would I call this roster loaded and comparatively over talented to other NL contenders. Too many players with too many holes in their game on this team. It's an average team with a shot at greatness but only a shot. Now with all the injuries... A long shot.
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Attended 1976 World Series in my Mother's Womb. Attended 1990 World Series Game 2 as a 13 year old. Want to take my son to a a World Series Game in Cincinnati in my lifetime.