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    What ever happened to the overhand curve

    Baseball changes talent and it changes approaches, this story is about that sort of thing.

    http://www.sportsonearth.com/article...e-game#!byth5g

    "It's a delivery-oriented pitch." I told Hickey the BOC was the toughest pitch to hit when thrown properly. He said, "Maybe, but the strike zone doesn't permit it anymore. You can't rely on it for a strike when you're behind in the count. Today, the smaller breaking balls are popular, because it's easier to throw them in a smaller strike zone."
    Before I left, I asked Hickey who had the best overhand curveball he'd ever seen. Without hesitation he said, "Nolan Ryan." I asked him if he'd ever seen Sandy Koufax pitch. He said, "Koufax couldn't pitch today the way he did [50 years ago], because of the strike zone." He added, "There's hardly a fastball-curveball pitcher in the game today. Guys got away from the curve, because it's too hard to maintain a slider and a curve."
    Kaline said that the BOC went out of favor as the strike zone got smaller. "Today, a pitch above the waist is a ball," he said. "In my day, a pitch at the armpits was a strike." This allowed pitchers to set up their BOC with a high-fastball strike and then throw the BOC at the same eye level. Now, if a pitcher wants to throw the high heater to set up his BOC, he probably will end up throwing the BOC behind in the count, which is tricky, because the umpires don't like to call the BOC as a strike anymore, either. "That curveball used to be a strike, but now it's caught as a ball," said Kaline.


    Then Kaline smiled. Not at me, but at something he saw in his mind's eye, from years ago. "Hitters have it easier today," he said. "If I was a player today it would be a good time to hit."

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    Re: What ever happened to the overhand curve

    Thanks to the new technology, the strike zone is getting bigger. Umps are calling the high strike more and more, because it's showing up in their post game evaluations. Maybe this will help bring back the Blyleven 12 to 6 curve. It's definitely more fun to watch than the cutter.
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    Re: What ever happened to the overhand curve

    Terrific article. Thanks for posting it.
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    Re: What ever happened to the overhand curve

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Thanks to the new technology, the strike zone is getting bigger. Umps are calling the high strike more and more, because it's showing up in their post game evaluations. Maybe this will help bring back the Blyleven 12 to 6 curve. It's definitely more fun to watch than the cutter.
    IF that's true, Homer Bailey would be a pitcher that benefits from it. He's got a big 12-6 curve he never uses anymore it seems because it is never called a strike.
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    Re: What ever happened to the overhand curve

    Loved it! Thanks WOY.
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    Re: What ever happened to the overhand curve

    Very well written story. Loved it.
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    Re: What ever happened to the overhand curve

    For such a good time for hitters to hit, hitters aren't hitting.

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    Re: What ever happened to the overhand curve

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    For such a good time for hitters to hit, hitters aren't hitting.
    Most of them aren't Al Kaline either


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