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    A solution to the play at the plate

    We had another instance tonight in the Giants game where a runner was called safe due to the catcher blocking the plate before receiving the throw. In this instance he had enough time to catch it, and then remove himself from blocking the plate fully before applying the tag. After review, the runner was still called safe.

    This reminds me a bit of the Cozart play earlier in the season (though Cozie was further from home in this instance). If there's one positive, it's that it's being called consistently all season long and thus the onus is on the catcher to make sure he's never blocking the plate fully when receiving a throw unless the throw is off line.

    However, it seems that this could be easily amended by MLB adding a hash mark to the third base line at a reasonable distance from home at which point the catcher can receive a throw while blocking the plate until a runner has reached said line.
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    Re: A solution to the play at the plate

    Or just go back to the way things used to be.
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    Re: A solution to the play at the plate

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    Or just go back to the way things used to be.
    Probably not going to happen at this point, so if we're going to have the rule, at least make it properly defined. Welcome to liberal America.
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    Re: A solution to the play at the plate

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    Probably not going to happen at this point, so if we're going to have the rule, at least make it properly defined. Welcome to liberal America.
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    Re: A solution to the play at the plate

    Seems reasonable to me if they keep the rule (which they will). How far up the line do you put the mark? 12 or 15 feet perhaps. I'd guess Steve Smith wants 25 to 30 feet...
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    Re: A solution to the play at the plate

    I can't wait for the post season when a runner is called safe like on the one yesterday in that Giants game. It's going happen. You just know it.

    I do think one reason this rule has been put inplace is to protect MLB from concussion lawsuits in the future. They see what the NFL is going through and this is one way to protect themselves. I think its hurting the game overall though but I doubt we will see much change in it.
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    Re: A solution to the play at the plate

    I have an idea for a solution aswell: Teach the catcher to stay away from the 3b - HP lane until he has catched the ball...

    I can understand that some people donīt like the rule, but I donīt get why professional baseball players canīt understand it or act the way the rule wants it (it isnīt that hard to do is it?)

    if this happens in the World Series, Iīll blame the catcher for it and not the umpires/replay guys in new york
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    Re: A solution to the play at the plate

    Maybe we could put one of those wireless pet fence collars on the catcher. If they block the runners path, they get an electric shock.

    Or paint a big red block in the base path and designate it a "no block" zone. Optionally put warning light/buzzer in it that starts blinking/buzzing if the plate is blocked.

    Or maybe let everyone get used to the rule and coaches start training catchers not to block the plate. But what's the fun in that?

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    Re: A solution to the play at the plate

    Quote Originally Posted by REDblooded View Post
    Probably not going to happen at this point, so if we're going to have the rule, at least make it properly defined. Welcome to liberal America.
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    Re: A solution to the play at the plate

    It seems if the catcher keeps his feet inside the foul line until he catches the ball he gets the out call. Out was upheld in exactly that scenario the other night in the Mets game. Straddle the foul line before catching the ball and the runner gets the call. Seems to me its more of a re-training the proper setup for catchers. They've been taught to straddle the line, then drop to knee after catching the ball to block the plate. Now they have to setup inside the line, then lunge bodily over to block once they have the ball. If its at all close the runner is supposed to slide. Wait til a catcher does it properly to the new rules and a runner doesn't slide and a safe call is reversed. Another brouhaha waiting to happen.

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    Re: A solution to the play at the plate

    Quote Originally Posted by tomnuetten View Post
    I have an idea for a solution aswell: Teach the catcher to stay away from the 3b - HP lane until he has catched the ball...
    In the long run I agree with you, but that isn't going to work for the current crop of major league catchers. They've been trained to do things a certain way over many years and thousands of reps. Muscle memory and instinct are going to take over in the heat of the moment.

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    Re: A solution to the play at the plate

    Well a dramatic fix would be to make the play at the plate always be a force play. This would remove any incentive to block the plate and instead would lead to the catcher stretching for the ball vs blocking the runner. It would allow the runner to have an open lane and he would not have to slide. Those advantages for the runner would be offset by not having to do a tag. I would be curious to see them try it in some spring training games to see the actual effect.

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    Re: A solution to the play at the plate

    Quote Originally Posted by REDblooded View Post
    Probably not going to happen at this point, so if we're going to have the rule, at least make it properly defined. Welcome to liberal America.
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    Re: A solution to the play at the plate

    Quote Originally Posted by tomnuetten View Post
    I have an idea for a solution aswell: Teach the catcher to stay away from the 3b - HP lane until he has catched the ball...

    I can understand that some people donīt like the rule, but I donīt get why professional baseball players canīt understand it or act the way the rule wants it (it isnīt that hard to do is it?)

    if this happens in the World Series, Iīll blame the catcher for it and not the umpires/replay guys in new york
    This! Don't set up in the baseline. I know it will take relearning, but there's nothing hard about it. Somehow the other infielders have learned to stay out of the baseline while fielding throws.

    Right now we just have a bunch of catchers who are trying to get as close as possible to blocking the plate as they can. I think we'll see over the next few years that catchers learn to set up a bit differently, further back on top of the plate instead of in front of it and with less of their body along the line.
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