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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Lots of years left to see how "brilliant" these moves are. And anyone can sign a cheater to a long term deal. Most other teams have too much integrity to do so.
    This is just wrong. You think the reason people didn't sign Peralta and Cruz is because of integrity? Must be nice to be that naive.

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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Lots of years left to see how "brilliant" these moves are. And anyone can sign a cheater to a long term deal. Most other teams have too much integrity to do so.
    I'm pretty sure almost every team in baseball would have liked to have Peralta at the right price, including the Reds.
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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Lots of years left to see how "brilliant" these moves are. And anyone can sign a cheater to a long term deal. Most other teams have too much integrity to do so.
    I think your view of the situation is naive. Teams sign whatever players they think can help them win, whether they've cheated in the past or not.

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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Lots of years left to see how "brilliant" these moves are. And anyone can sign a cheater to a long term deal. Most other teams have too much integrity to do so.
    Integrity lol

    But having 3+ kids with 3+ women scattered across the US is ok to be a greatly heralded player.

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    Well Walt was part of the A's and the Cardinals PED teams, so you're probably right.

    I actually wouldn't have as much of a problem with signing Cruz to the deal he got, because it reflected his worth after being convicted of PED use. The contract he signed was a form of punishment for breaking the rules. Peralta was not signed at the "right" price. He got what any clean player would have gotten on the open market.

    Rewarding cheaters for cheating. Then Cardinal Way.
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    More like other teams are skeptical that those guys can repeat when clean. Integrity has very little to do with it.
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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironman92 View Post
    Integrity lol

    But having 3+ kids with 3+ women scattered across the US is ok to be a greatly heralded player.
    Integrity to the game of baseball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ac084c View Post
    More like other teams are skeptical that those guys can repeat when clean. Integrity has very little to do with it.
    There's a lot of truth to that.
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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Well Walt was part of the A's and the Cardinals PED teams, so you're probably right.

    I actually wouldn't have as much of a problem with signing Cruz to the deal he got, because it reflected his worth after being convicted of PED use. The contract he signed was a form of punishment for breaking the rules. Peralta was not signed at the "right" price. He got what any clean player would have gotten on the open market.

    Rewarding cheaters for cheating. Then Cardinal Way.
    Cruz got what he got because he had a qualifying offer attached. Peralta did not.
    I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher.
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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

    The Reds are bad. That is all.

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    Just win baby.

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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Lots of years left to see how "brilliant" these moves are. And anyone can sign a cheater to a long term deal. Most other teams have too much integrity to do so.
    And this is how one continually ends up on the wrong side of player evaluation discussions.....being dogmatic and unwilling to learn.
    "This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Well Walt was part of the A's and the Cardinals PED teams, so you're probably right.

    I actually wouldn't have as much of a problem with signing Cruz to the deal he got, because it reflected his worth after being convicted of PED use. The contract he signed was a form of punishment for breaking the rules. Peralta was not signed at the "right" price. He got what any clean player would have gotten on the open market.

    Rewarding cheaters for cheating. Then Cardinal Way.
    Peralta was paid more than Cruz because he is a shortstop, not because Cruz was "punished". Supply and demand.

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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

    Quote Originally Posted by ac084c View Post
    Cruz got what he got because he had a qualifying offer attached. Peralta did not.
    A little truth to that. But a draft pick isn't worth $45M.
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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Well Walt was part of the A's and the Cardinals PED teams, so you're probably right.

    I actually wouldn't have as much of a problem with signing Cruz to the deal he got, because it reflected his worth after being convicted of PED use. The contract he signed was a form of punishment for breaking the rules. Peralta was not signed at the "right" price. He got what any clean player would have gotten on the open market.

    Rewarding cheaters for cheating. Then Baseball Way.
    I went ahead and fixed that for you.

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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

    Quote Originally Posted by Beltway View Post
    Peralta was paid more than Cruz because he is a shortstop, not because Cruz was "punished". Supply and demand.
    Again, not a $45M difference in supply and demand.
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