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    Integrity to the game of baseball.
    Name one team that has shown they care about "integrity" more than winning

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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

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    And this is how one continually ends up on the wrong side of player evaluation discussions.....being dogmatic and unwilling to learn.
    lol. I thought the meme on me was that I have no convictions, and argue anything just for gits and shiggles
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    Well Walt was part of the A's and the Cardinals PED teams, so you're probably right.

    I actually wouldn't have as much of a problem with signing Cruz to the deal he got, because it reflected his worth after being convicted of PED use. The contract he signed was a form of punishment for breaking the rules. Peralta was not signed at the "right" price. He got what any clean player would have gotten on the open market.

    Rewarding cheaters for cheating. Then Cardinal Way.
    Cruz was punished for being a 34 yo midtier hitting corner outfielder with a qualifying offer but who cant play a lick of defense to save his life.
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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

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    Again, not a $45M difference in supply and demand.
    You're really twisting the numbers in a disingenuous way. Cruz is not being paid $8 million over 4 years. He's being paid $8 million this year. He'll likely make at least $30 million more over the next 3 years after the season he's had. So that $45 million difference will drop to about $15 million.

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    lol. I thought the meme on me was that I have no convictions, and argue anything just for gits and shiggles
    No, that's why others might doubt your sincerity not why the arguments you actually trust are less compelling.
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    Nice seeing Junior in a Reds uniform again, especially the vests. Hall of Famers for sure.
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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

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    You're really twisting the numbers in a disingenuous way. Cruz is not being $8 million over 4 years. He's being paid $8 million this year. He'll likely make at least $30 million more over the next 3 years after the season he's had. So that $45 million difference will drop to about $15 million.
    But he didn't get an offer over one year, so that had to be figured in the equation. And Peralta is 32, so it's not like age was a factor.

    No twisting of the numbers. One guy got offered $8M, the other $54M. If Cruz was really worth $30M, he would have been offered $30M. He wasn't. He's was considered worth $8M.
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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

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    No, that's why others might doubt your sincerity not why the arguments you actually trust are less compelling.
    Okay, so I'm being insincere about being wrong? I guess that means I'm actually right about what you think I'm wrong about
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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

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    But he didn't get an offer over one year, so that had to be figured in the equation. And Peralta is 32, so it's not like age was a factor.

    No twisting of the numbers. One guy got offered $8M, the other $54M. If Cruz was really worth $30M, he would have been offered $30M. He wasn't. He's was considered worth $8M.
    You don't think he's going to be offered more after this year? Peralta can play both sides of the ball, something Cruz can't do.

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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

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    The Reds are bad. That is all.
    Even Cueto is bad today, he must have sat too close to JJ.

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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

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    You don't think he's going to be offered more after this year? Peralta can play both sides of the ball, something Cruz can't do.
    Cruz will get offered a nice deal this offseason. Because he's paid his price with this deal.

    Peralta is a better player than Cruz, no doubt, but that doesn't explain why one got a four year deal at full market value, while the other got a 1 year deal for under market value. Choo had a qualifying offer, and got 7 years, so we know it's not the qualifying offer.
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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

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    Again, not a $45M difference in supply and demand.
    Hmmm a 34 yo corner outfielder with a qualifying offer, massive negative defensive value and a roughly .350 wOBA bat versus a shortstop who is 2 years younger, plays elite defense and has a roughly .350 wOBA bat.....

    The difference in contract status must have something to do with PEDs even though both have links to PEDs.
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    Cheery place here today. Everyone is in a great mood.
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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

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    But he didn't get an offer over one year, so that had to be figured in the equation. And Peralta is 32, so it's not like age was a factor.

    No twisting of the numbers. One guy got offered $8M, the other $54M. If Cruz was really worth $30M, he would have been offered $30M. He wasn't. He's was considered worth $8M.
    Cruz got a one year deal because there is no shortage of corner outfielders. Peralta got a multi-year deal, not as some sort of reward for cheating, but because there is a shortage of good shortstops, so that's what it took to get him signed. If the Cardinals didn't make that offer, he would have signed somewhere else. All the stuff you're saying about "integrity" is nonsense.

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    Re: 8.20.14 Reds @ Cardinals

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Hmmm a 34 yo corner outfielder with a qualifying offer, massive negative defensive value and a roughly .350 wOBA bat versus a shortstop who is 2 years younger, plays elite defense and has a roughly .350 wOBA bat.....

    The difference in contract status must have something to do with PEDs even though both have links to PEDs.
    Are you describing Choo or Cruz with the first example? Because Choo is very similar to Cruz, with a qualifying offer, and he got 7 years $130M.
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