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    Re: Official Redszone Movie Thread, Part IV

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelSD View Post
    Posting the end to a movie is a spoiler, regardless of what you want to call it. Seriously, I'm not sure why you'd even be arguing this.
    Just out of curiosity what exactly are we supposed to post in the Movie Thread, great rule maker of Redszone?

    I already posted my thoughts on this and once again discussing a major national news story isn't a spoiler even if it happens to now be a movie.

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    Re: Official Redszone Movie Thread, Part IV

    I was talking about Foxcatcher with some folks who hadn't seen it and supposedly "spoiled" the ending of that movie too. I'm even a person who avoids trailers and plot synopsis before seeing a film, but seriously?
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    Re: Official Redszone Movie Thread, Part IV

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    I was talking about Foxcatcher with some folks who hadn't seen it and supposedly "spoiled" the ending of that movie too. I'm even a person who avoids trailers and plot synopsis before seeing a film, but seriously?
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    Re: Official Redszone Movie Thread, Part IV

    SteelSD doesn't get that we've seen these news stories and seen the movies. We already know how they end, so it isn't a spoiler for us to talk about. You can still enjoy these movies if you know how the story ends and the exact way that the dramatized version of that story handles and portrays the ending. It's like, are we supposed to not talk about the climax or resolution to a movie?
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    Re: Official Redszone Movie Thread, Part IV

    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    SteelSD doesn't get that we've seen these news stories and seen the movies. We already know how they end, so it isn't a spoiler for us to talk about. You can still enjoy these movies if you know how the story ends and the exact way that the dramatized version of that story handles and portrays the ending. It's like, are we supposed to not talk about the climax or resolution to a movie?
    So if this was a year ago and we were talking about "Lincoln", would it have been a spoiler to discuss the ending of that movie? And once again if you don't want to talk about the movies than don't read the movie thread. I do the same thing in the TV thread if I'm behind on more popular shows that I think are going to be discussed.

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    Re: Official Redszone Movie Thread, Part IV

    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    SteelSD doesn't get that we've seen these news stories and seen the movies. We already know how they end, so it isn't a spoiler for us to talk about. You can still enjoy these movies if you know how the story ends and the exact way that the dramatized version of that story handles and portrays the ending. It's like, are we supposed to not talk about the climax or resolution to a movie?
    Did you think we didn't pick up on it the first two times? Give us one more, slightly more obvious and we'll get your point.


    Talking about the fact that Chris Kyle is dead does not at all seem like a spoiler, IMO. Buckeye's post about the credits running over actual footage of his funeral was information I didn't previously have but for this type of movie probably won't change my viewing experience. Maybe he shouldn't have posted that, Steel probably has a small point there but again for this type of movie I don't see how it goes from "looking forward to seeing it with family" to "not seeing it at all." Maybe I don't know what the H I'm talking about though.
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    Re: Official Redszone Movie Thread, Part IV

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    I was talking about Foxcatcher with some folks who hadn't seen it and supposedly "spoiled" the ending of that movie too. I'm even a person who avoids trailers and plot synopsis before seeing a film, but seriously?
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    Re: Official Redszone Movie Thread, Part IV

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    Did you think we didn't pick up on it the first two times? Give us one more, slightly more obvious and we'll get your point.


    Talking about the fact that Chris Kyle is dead does not at all seem like a spoiler, IMO. Buckeye's post about the credits running over actual footage of his funeral was information I didn't previously have but for this type of movie probably won't change my viewing experience. Maybe he shouldn't have posted that, Steel probably has a small point there but again for this type of movie I don't see how it goes from "looking forward to seeing it with family" to "not seeing it at all." Maybe I don't know what the H I'm talking about though.
    There are people who don't mind knowing how a movie handles the conclusion of a story, even if its a true story, and people who do. The whole spoiler thing is supposed to be a courtesy to people who do mind.

    Also, bio pics are dramatizations and part of why someone might be interested in seeing Lincoln's life on screen is the question, "HOW are the filmmakers and actors going to portray the familiar events?" The filmmaking technique of switching from dramatization to real life footage is meant to add an extra, surprise emotional punch to the conclusion of the story Part of why it works is because it abruptly reminds you, at an emotional moment, with documentary images, that this story was real. It's reasonable that someone would want to experience that as the filmmaker intended, in the theatre, while he or she is wrapped up and invested in the story and characters, without knowing it's going to happen.

    Anyway, there shouldn't be this many words dedicated to explaining why discussing the end of ANY movie is a bit impolite. We all know that, 99% of the time, the good guy or girl wins. We go to the movies or read books to find out HOW he or she will win and people discussing key events out of context, even if they echo a real life story, becomes frustrating the more into the experience of movies and books you are. If none of this resonates with you or moves the needle for you, just try to understand that you may be OK with knowing the end of a movie but some people aren't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRed27 View Post
    So if this was a year ago and we were talking about "Lincoln", would it have been a spoiler to discuss the ending of that movie? And once again if you don't want to talk about the movies than don't read the movie thread. I do the same thing in the TV thread if I'm behind on more popular shows that I think are going to be discussed.
    I haven't seen Lincoln. I know, in real life, he was shot in a theatre, however, I don't know if it ends before, during or after Lincoln being shot. If it portrays the scene from the POV of the killer or Lincoln. If it shows an aspect of the event that isn't discussed in history books. I don't know if there is a soaring dramatic score during the shooting to make it an epic, sad tragedy or a score-less, silent scene that plays up the eerie smallness of how even a great life can be wiped away from existence in a blink of en eye. Even if it is the most straight forward portrayal of Lincoln's death, I want to find out that it is a straight forward portrayal when I'm in the theatre, watching the movie, in the context of everything that the movie has built up to that point. I don't want to read the tone and technique of how the scene is presented, without a spoiler tag, as an off-hand comment in someone's post about the movie in a general movie thread.
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    Re: Official Redszone Movie Thread, Part IV

    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    There are people who don't mind knowing how a movie handles the conclusion of a story, even if its a true story, and people who do. The whole spoiler thing is supposed to be a courtesy to people who do mind.

    Also, bio pics are dramatizations and part of why someone might be interested in seeing Lincoln's life on screen is the question, "HOW are the filmmakers and actors going to portray the familiar events?" The filmmaking technique of switching from dramatization to real life footage is meant to add an extra, surprise emotional punch to the conclusion of the story Part of why it works is because it abruptly reminds you, at an emotional moment, with documentary images, that this story was real. It's reasonable that someone would want to experience that as the filmmaker intended, in the theatre, while he or she is wrapped up and invested in the story and characters, without knowing it's going to happen.

    Anyway, there shouldn't be this many words dedicated to explaining why discussing the end of ANY movie is a bit impolite. We all know that, 99% of the time, the good guy or girl wins. We go to the movies or read books to find out HOW he or she will win and people discussing key events out of context, even if they echo a real life story, becomes frustrating the more into the experience of movies and books you are. If none of this resonates with you or moves the needle for you, just try to understand that you may be OK with knowing the end of a movie but some people aren't.
    I don't disagree with anything you just said. I still stand by my post and the way it was presented because I think it is a real critque of that movie that may provide context for someone deciding to see it or not. I also stand by, if you are someone that is trying to completely avoid spoilers of a movie than this is not your thread. Perhaps there should be some more ground rules for this thread or types of threads if the masses disagree, but looking over quickly there are far worse "spoilers" than what I posted about other movies presented.

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    Your post may be unfairly singled out as the official example of a spoiler. To be honest, if I have no plans of seeing a movie I can easily skim past a post with spoilers and forget it as soon as it takes me to read it. I only chimed in because it seemed like SteelSD was interested in the movie, expressed his disappointment, and then people were busting his chops for being so serious about it.

    I think a good general rule is that if the movie is still in theaters, just say:

    SPOILERS

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    Then your spoiler.

    I think a Netflix movie or older movie is fair game for discussing twists or endings though. You are right that there has to be some discussion allowed in a movie thread.
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    Re: Official Redszone Movie Thread, Part IV

    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    There are people who don't mind knowing how a movie handles the conclusion of a story, even if its a true story, and people who do. The whole spoiler thing is supposed to be a courtesy to people who do mind.

    Also, bio pics are dramatizations and part of why someone might be interested in seeing Lincoln's life on screen is the question, "HOW are the filmmakers and actors going to portray the familiar events?" The filmmaking technique of switching from dramatization to real life footage is meant to add an extra, surprise emotional punch to the conclusion of the story Part of why it works is because it abruptly reminds you, at an emotional moment, with documentary images, that this story was real. It's reasonable that someone would want to experience that as the filmmaker intended, in the theatre, while he or she is wrapped up and invested in the story and characters, without knowing it's going to happen.

    Anyway, there shouldn't be this many words dedicated to explaining why discussing the end of ANY movie is a bit impolite. We all know that, 99% of the time, the good guy or girl wins. We go to the movies or read books to find out HOW he or she will win and people discussing key events out of context, even if they echo a real life story, becomes frustrating the more into the experience of movies and books you are. If none of this resonates with you or moves the needle for you, just try to understand that you may be OK with knowing the end of a movie but some people aren't.
    A bit impolite is around where I landed, I believe.

    but looking over quickly there are far worse "spoilers" than what I posted about other movies presented.
    And maybe this is why. There have been some blatant spoilers that went by without any mention.
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    Re: Official Redszone Movie Thread, Part IV

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRed27 View Post
    Just out of curiosity what exactly are we supposed to post in the Movie Thread, great rule maker of Redszone?

    I already posted my thoughts on this and once again discussing a major national news story isn't a spoiler even if it happens to now be a movie.
    Here's what doug posted about Foxcatcher:

    I saw that a few weeks ago. Knowing the background of the story made it painful to watch for me. Knowing what was going to happen at the end, it just made everything super weird. Great acting, but man, I just found myself feeling uncomfortable watching it knowing that it really happened.
    Now, that's provocative without revealing any plot twists or, for goodness sakes, the ENDING. Had you posted something akin to "Knowing how the story ends made the ending sort of anti-climactic for me, but it was cool being able to see real footage of the aftermath as the credits rolled.", that would have actually enhanced my desire to see it. Similarly, had you posted what you did but warned that a spoiler was coming, I wouldn't be posting right now.

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    So if this was a year ago and we were talking about "Lincoln", would it have been a spoiler to discuss the ending of that movie? And once again if you don't want to talk about the movies than don't read the movie thread. I do the same thing in the TV thread if I'm behind on more popular shows that I think are going to be discussed.
    Dude, you posted the ending of a movie just released in theaters. As Larry stated, I couldn't care less if the ending of some film is discussed if folks have had ample time to see it (like after the DVD release). But it's a story not everyone has heard, despite your assumption that everyone should have heard about it. You want to draw comparisons to the TV thread? Well I can guarantee, having read all of the books that Game of Thrones is based on, that quite a few people would be pretty grumpy with me if I popped in there and posted exactly what will happen next season and then attempt to justify it because the books have been available for them to read for quite some time. I'm not talking about "rules". I'm talking about etiquette.

    And to be clear, I'm really not that grumpy about no longer having any interest in seeing the movie in a theater, but I'm a bit flabbergasted that I'd have to explain why it's not terribly courteous to post the end of new-release movies.
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    Re: Official Redszone Movie Thread, Part IV

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRed27 View Post
    So if this was a year ago and we were talking about "Lincoln", would it have been a spoiler to discuss the ending of that movie? And once again if you don't want to talk about the movies than don't read the movie thread. I do the same thing in the TV thread if I'm behind on more popular shows that I think are going to be discussed.
    You don't think there's a difference between Lincoln and a sniper than 99% of America couldn't name if you showed them a picture of him having movies made about him? There is a huge, huge difference. Everyone in America knows about what happened to Lincoln by the end of elementary school.

    There's a difference between talking about a movie and giving away huge plot points and endings in a movie that literally just came out. Yes, talking about Lincoln dying in the end is probably ok. Nearly everyone alive in this country knows about that. Very few movies, even based on a true story fall into that kind of category though.


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