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    500+ plate appearances, 18 RBI

    Votto struck out 138 times in 2013, and was on pace for 130 Ks last year too. For a guy who allegedly doesn't get pitches to hit, that seems high.

    Last year he had 152 PAs with 2 Strikes in the count - He hit .165 with a .510 OPS in those situations AND SIX RBI, and 0 HR.

    In 2013: Votto had 370 Plate Apps with 2 Strikes in the count. He hit .174 with a .560 OPS in these Plate Apps. With 3 Hr, and 12 RBI.

    So, in the last 2 years. 500+ Plate Appearances with 2 strikes in the count - He has totaled 18 RBI And 3 HR with a .500 ish OPS.

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    Re: 500+ plate appearances, 18 RBI

    You know what Redszone needs more of? New users who sign up and immediately post a thread why Votto is bad.

    You have at least provided context of what an average players average, OPS, or HR totals are like with 2 strikes, but I suppose that would be too much work as opposed to breaking down every component of Joey Votto. His .211 average with a .684 OPS with 2 strikes in his MVP season of 2010 doesn't leap off the page. Oh and he struck out 125 times that season too. But look at dem HRs and RBIs omg omg omg sweeet sweeet HRs and RBIs just rub them all over your body mmmmmm RBIs...
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: 500+ plate appearances, 18 RBI

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    You know what Redszone needs more of? New users who sign up and immediately post a thread why Votto is bad.

    You have at least provided context of what an average players average, OPS, or HR totals are like with 2 strikes, but I suppose that would be too much work as opposed to breaking down every component of Joey Votto. His .211 average with a .684 OPS with 2 strikes in his MVP season of 2010 doesn't leap off the page. Oh and he struck out 125 times that season too. But look at dem HRs and RBIs omg omg omg sweeet sweeet HRs and RBIs just rub them all over your body mmmmmm RBIs...

    Lol. A grown man with another grown man's face as his profile pic, who pounces to defend that man at any chance he gets in anger and snark. Whacky

    It's bad. Worse than most.

    No one is going to have a 850 ops with 2 strikes, but obviously Vottos been well below average.

    Sorry you can't accept it.

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    Re: 500+ plate appearances, 18 RBI

    Last season w 2 strikes. McCutchen. 675 ops, 26 rbi, 5 hr.

    Trout last year 2 strikes. .729 ops 52 rbi

    Matt holiday. 622 ops and 26 rbi last year.

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    Can't accept what? That Votto's clearly very good 2013 should be tainted by this MIND-BLOWING analysis of his performance with two strikes that, again, provides no context? And last years stats don't mean anything to me given Votto's clear injury problems. His performance in April of last year shows he was off to a fine start before his season was basically wiped out.

    But yes, I have a photo of Votto that makes me laugh as my avatar, so I'm the one with no credibility. Whiffey is not our savior, yada yada yada.

    And if you think in the year 2015 that I care about RBIs, you are mistaking me with someone else.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: 500+ plate appearances, 18 RBI

    Quote Originally Posted by OTReds View Post
    Last season w 2 strikes. McCutchen. 675 ops, 26 rbi, 5 hr.

    Trout last year 2 strikes. .729 ops 52 rbi

    Matt holiday. 622 ops and 26 rbi last year.
    Holliday last season: 667 plate appearances, .272/.370/.441
    Votto in 2013: 726 plate appearances, .305/.435/.491

    I'd take the Votto season, 2 strikes be damned.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: 500+ plate appearances, 18 RBI

    Looks like CaptainRon made a new account.

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    Re: 500+ plate appearances, 18 RBI

    Votto needs to be more aggressive earlier in the count. Can't be argued.

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    Re: 500+ plate appearances, 18 RBI

    Nice detective work.

    These above stats are pretty poor for votto.

    Basically it further shows how far his power has tanked

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    Re: 500+ plate appearances, 18 RBI

    Quote Originally Posted by kramer1 View Post
    Votto needs to be more aggressive earlier in the count. Can't be argued.
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainRon View Post
    Nice detective work.

    These above stats are pretty poor for votto.

    Basically it further shows how far his power has tanked

    lmao, very discreet.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: 500+ plate appearances, 18 RBI

    Quote Originally Posted by kramer1 View Post
    Votto needs to be more aggressive earlier in the count. Can't be argued.
    Sure it can. And it has been.


    Next complaint.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: 500+ plate appearances, 18 RBI

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainRon View Post
    Nice detective work.

    These above stats are pretty poor for votto.

    Basically it further shows how far his power has tanked
    thanks bb

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    Re: 500+ plate appearances, 18 RBI

    Pony Keg logic uses data from an injury year and focuses on RBI in 2 strikes situations without mentioning if another player was on any base during the at bats.

    This is why we can't have nice things.

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    Re: 500+ plate appearances, 18 RBI

    Votto is Votto. He has been paid and lauded for his approach. The only thing that causes me to wonder about his approach (and really who am I to question his success) is that he likens himself and his approach to Ted Williams. Get a good ball to hit. Do not succumb to other people and their criticism. But, with a comparison to Williams, at least Williams was a man that hardly struck out.

    I was struck by a quote that Williams offered in his autobiography that said, essentially each year he would strike out 50 or so times, but half of those strike outs were balls he took because he just could not bring himself to swinging at a "bad" pitch. Which, is all well and good. And I understand that. But, gee whiz... that means that Ted Williams, in the span of 400+ plate appearances a year would only strike out 50 times, and take called strikes 50% of the time for those strike outs

    Votto, on the other hand, can get 50 strikeouts in two months of games.

    Too me that is a lot of non productive at bats for the teams BEST hitter.

    But, again, that's just my take on it. People see things differently.
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    Re: 500+ plate appearances, 18 RBI

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Pony Keg logic uses data from an injury year and focuses on RBI in 2 strikes situations without mentioning if another player was on any base during the at bats.

    This is why we can't have nice things.
    It also ignores his OBP in those situations, which I assume was relatively good.

    Oh, I forgot- we're living in the 90's, and all that matter for players is RBIs and AVG.


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