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    Choo and that albatross Rangers contract

    I've done nothing but unsparingly rip Walt for months now, so I figured I owed him this thread after checking out how Shin Soo Choo is doing in Texas this season. He's put up a line of .096/.254/.173 for a .427 OPS. Granted, it's only been 63 PA, but he's coming off a .242/.340/.374 season in 2014 in the first year of a contract that pays him big money through 2020. In fact, Choo made 14 million dollars per season in the first two years of this contract, the remaining years will be in excess of $20 million annually.

    Walt flipped an asset in Gregorious that we had no long range plans for (who isn't exactly lighting the world on fire in New York), and spun that into a career year out of Choo, and then let Choo walk before he crashed back down to earth with a vengeance. 2013 didn't work out, but that deal in particular was a home run in nearly every way by Mr. Jocketty. Man the Rangers are going to feel the sting of that Choo deal for a while. Thank the lord that was one of the few long term contracts we stayed well away from, despite some segments of the fan base clamoring for a deal to be made.

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    I wish Choo well and really liked him on our 2013 team.

    Walt played that hand perfectly though.
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    I wish Choo well and really liked him on our 2013 team.

    Walt played that hand perfectly though.
    Yep. Personally, I would've liked it if he'd snagged Choo a few seasons earlier. He was a big target for me for years. Alas.

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    With Chuckie on this one. The smart move by Walt was getting to in the first place, as a one-year rental. If he offered Choo a reasonable contract after that year, you can't give him credit, just because someone was dumber and offered Choo.. more
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    Plus, we got Blandino as the compensatory pick for losing Choo. It couldn't have worked out much better.

    Blandino might end up being better than Choo and Gregorius combined. (Not Choo in his prime, but overall.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckie View Post
    Plus, we got Blandino as the compensatory pick for losing Choo. It couldn't have worked out much better.

    Blandino might end up being better than Choo and Gregorius combined. (Not Choo in his prime, but overall.)
    I was wondering if the Reds got a pick, and if so what they did with it. Thanks for the addition!

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    Not sure I'm going to give Walt too much credit for this one.

    1. No way the Reds were going to out-bid the Rangers or Yankees for Choo. The Yankees actually offered $10 million more over the life of the contract than the Rangers, but no income tax in Texas more than made up for that. Point is: The Reds were not going to compete with the Rangers' offer, even if they wanted to re-sign Choo.

    2. The plan even when the Reds traded for Choo was to have Billy Hamilton (who was coming off a year in which he set the all-time minor league record for steals with 155) be the leadoff hitter/centerfielder beginning in 2014. Re-signing Choo was never really on the table for the Reds.

    If you want to give Walt credit for not screwing something up, go ahead. But the reality is the Reds were never going to re-sign Choo and they knew it. He was a one-year rental, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckie View Post
    Not sure I'm going to give Walt too much credit for this one.

    1. No way the Reds were going to out-bid the Rangers or Yankees for Choo. The Yankees actually offered $10 million more over the life of the contract than the Rangers, but no income tax in Texas more than made up for that. Point is: The Reds were not going to compete with the Rangers' offer, even if they wanted to re-sign Choo.

    2. The plan even when the Reds traded for Choo was to have Billy Hamilton (who was coming off a year in which he set the all-time minor league record for steals with 155) be the leadoff hitter/centerfielder beginning in 2014. Re-signing Choo was never really on the table for the Reds.

    If you want to give Walt credit for not screwing something up, go ahead. But the reality is the Reds were never going to re-sign Choo and they knew it. He was a one-year rental, period.
    Reds got Choo for his career year where he put up an OBP of .423 for not very much and let him go when he immediately got expensive.

    That's an awesome one year rental.
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    Reds got Choo for his career year where he put up an OBP of .423 for not very much and let him go when he immediately got expensive.

    That's an awesome one year rental.
    Damn straight it is. I wasn't saying anything to the contrary. It worked out perfectly for the Reds. They got Choo (on the cheap mind you) who turned in a great year, then "flipped" him (basically) for Blandino ... who is likely the Reds' 2B of the future. The heir apparent to Dat Dude. It was perfect for the Reds.

    But let's not pretend like the Reds made some wise choice in not re-signing Choo. They were never going to re-sign Choo. It was never on the table. And even if they wanted to, there is no way they would have been able to out-bid the Rangers for his services. And thank goodness for that. The last thing the Reds needed was another horrible LTC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckie View Post
    Damn straight it is. I wasn't saying anything to the contrary. It worked out perfectly for the Reds. They got Choo (on the cheap mind you) who turned in a great year, then "flipped" him (basically) for Blandino ... who is likely the Reds' 2B of the future. The heir apparent to Dat Dude. It was perfect for the Reds.

    But let's not pretend like the Reds made some wise choice in not re-signing Choo. They were never going to re-sign Choo. It was never on the table. And even if they wanted to, there is no way they would have been able to out-bid the Rangers for his services. And thank goodness for that. The last thing the Reds needed was another horrible LTC.
    That's a fair point. Walt knew that New York or Texas or some other big market team would overpay for him.

    He still handled the entirety of the deal perfectly though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckie View Post
    Not sure I'm going to give Walt too much credit for this one.

    1. No way the Reds were going to out-bid the Rangers or Yankees for Choo. The Yankees actually offered $10 million more over the life of the contract than the Rangers, but no income tax in Texas more than made up for that. Point is: The Reds were not going to compete with the Rangers' offer, even if they wanted to re-sign Choo.
    Agreed. Walt didn't "let Choo walk". He walked on his own.
    Huh? Huh-uh. Oh yeah, uh-huh.

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    Not sure I'm going to give Walt too much credit for this one.

    1. No way the Reds were going to out-bid the Rangers or Yankees for Choo. The Yankees actually offered $10 million more over the life of the contract than the Rangers, but no income tax in Texas more than made up for that. Point is: The Reds were not going to compete with the Rangers' offer, even if they wanted to re-sign Choo.

    2. The plan even when the Reds traded for Choo was to have Billy Hamilton (who was coming off a year in which he set the all-time minor league record for steals with 155) be the leadoff hitter/centerfielder beginning in 2014. Re-signing Choo was never really on the table for the Reds.

    If you want to give Walt credit for not screwing something up, go ahead. But the reality is the Reds were never going to re-sign Choo and they knew it. He was a one-year rental, period.
    If the Reds really wanted to sign Choo, they could have.
    It would've just meant no Bailey contract.. and of course some reprucussions for future years of payroll.
    Over 1/2 the board wanted the Reds to open the bank for Choo, and it was a reasonable argument.
    Choo could've played LF , Billy in CF.. That's what lots of people were proposing. Or Billy could've spent another year in AAA (which might've been better for him)

    I do agree with you that the plan was to just rent Choo for one year. Walt pretty much said that the day after the trade was made.
    Still, it was smart to have that plan.
    Although Cleveland probably did the best in that trade, getting Bauer..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckie View Post
    Not sure I'm going to give Walt too much credit for this one.

    1. No way the Reds were going to out-bid the Rangers or Yankees for Choo. The Yankees actually offered $10 million more over the life of the contract than the Rangers, but no income tax in Texas more than made up for that. Point is: The Reds were not going to compete with the Rangers' offer, even if they wanted to re-sign Choo.

    2. The plan even when the Reds traded for Choo was to have Billy Hamilton (who was coming off a year in which he set the all-time minor league record for steals with 155) be the leadoff hitter/centerfielder beginning in 2014. Re-signing Choo was never really on the table for the Reds.

    If you want to give Walt credit for not screwing something up, go ahead. But the reality is the Reds were never going to re-sign Choo and they knew it. He was a one-year rental, period.
    THey were never going to resign Choo because that was "the plan"?

    Who's plan?

    I'm guessing "Walt's plan".

    It was Walt who decided to go and get a 1-year stop gap. You make it sound like Choo came with a 1-year sticker expiration date on him.

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    noooooo you've set the alarm for junkhead to post
    I dont care, Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. Hes in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.

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