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    Jacksonville Jaguars 2017 Season (AFC North/South Champions)

    The disastrous 2016 season just ended with the Jags 24-20 loss to Colts. The Jags 9th loss of the season by 8 points or less. And a game where they led 17-0 in the first half. Any super-strong argument that interim coach Doug Marrone could make was wiped out by the collapse of the Jags in the game.

    So, obviously we are headed for a new coach, which will not be Tom Coughlin.

    We'll find out positively about the status of GM Dave Caldwell. He was ostensibly spared when he was charge with leading the search for a new coach, but then owner Shad Khan has hired a consulting firm to work on the search. And there were differing reports on how involved he was in the Coughlin interviews.

    After the game, several of the defensive players said they were ready for a complete overhaul of the coaching staff, that they felt they had been handcuffed by the defensive scheme.

    So, it looks like a clean sweep that may or may not include the GM.

    Jags have the #4 pick in the draft.
    The lowest acceptable payroll amount for ownership to show they are not greedy pigs is 15 million more than they are currently paying. No matter what that currently is.

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    Re: Jacksonville Jaguars 2017 Season

    Who do you think the Jags will take at #4?
    ...and this one belongs to the Reds.

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    Re: Jacksonville Jaguars 2017 Season

    Quote Originally Posted by Assembly Hall View Post
    Who do you think the Jags will take at #4?
    Most people think at this point they'd like to grab one of Garret or Allen from Alabama. But they may be gone. MOst people do not think they will go QB in 1st round.
    The lowest acceptable payroll amount for ownership to show they are not greedy pigs is 15 million more than they are currently paying. No matter what that currently is.

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    Re: Jacksonville Jaguars 2017 Season

    Kyle Shanahan and Josh McDaniels have interviews this week.
    The lowest acceptable payroll amount for ownership to show they are not greedy pigs is 15 million more than they are currently paying. No matter what that currently is.

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    Re: Jacksonville Jaguars 2017 Season

    Mike Smith now scheduled to interview per sources. GM Dave Caldwell addressed players in a players-only meeting but entire talk was less than 3 minutes. It certainly seems like he is surviving.

    The Rooney rule candidate is rumored to be Arizona OC Goodwin.

    Assistant Coaches were told to feel free to look for other jobs, but to keep Jags "in the loop" since they are still under contract.
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    The lowest acceptable payroll amount for ownership to show they are not greedy pigs is 15 million more than they are currently paying. No matter what that currently is.

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    Good luck to Jacksonville on their HC search.

    Think it would be a huge mistake though to get McDaniels or Coughlin. Coughlin's time has passed, while McDaniels proved he was in over his head as a HC, similar to Marvin Lewis,..clueless when it comes to identifying the right personnel to put on the field.

    Mike Smith is more clueless than either of them.

    Caldwell is proving that he's the major problem right now.

    If Caldwell picks Kyle Shanahan or some other Assistant who has not ever had a HC job, then I'll give Caldwell a pass for three more years. But, if he picks proven HC failures like Smith or McDaniels, or guys who have had the game pass them up as proven by their decisions during their last years as a HC or as their opinions as analysts over the last few years have shown them to be clueless, then Caldwell isn't the only problem. Now, it's Kahn, and his inability to recognize failure and poor abilities in an NFL G.M., and Jags fans long ride will start mirroring that of Browns', Bengals', and Rams' fans' miseries. Other clubs could be tossed in there like the Bills, but it's a small group that no one wants to be a part of. If late-night comediens start mentioning the Jags, you know you've arrived.
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    Wow you need to back away from the ledge a bit. Most speculation around here is that after having gone through the "hot assistant" route with Bradley, that they will lean towards the former HC route. There's a lot of evidence towards coaches that learn from their mistakes the first time like Belicheck or Pete Carroll.

    Along those lines there was an interesting article on the learning curve of Josh McDaniels

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...pick-his-spots

    But, Jags should certainly be able to get who they want. One of the NFL writers polled 6 GM's as to the most attractive job. Denver was unanimous as #1 but Jax was number 2.

    Pats DC Matt Patricia is now rumored to be interviewing.
    The lowest acceptable payroll amount for ownership to show they are not greedy pigs is 15 million more than they are currently paying. No matter what that currently is.

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    My favorite Coaching option out there right now is Anthony Lynn as Head Coach with him already believed to be bringing Gus Bradley in as his D.C. Bradley's Jax Defenses performed up to or beyond his talent level each year (had to deal with many injuries), while he was excellent in Seattle. Lynn is on the fast-track Offensively and did a great job in Buffalo thus season with numerous injuries, having to deal with an idiot as a Head Coach, and also having limited resources available at the Receiver position.

    Bradley could buy him time wherever he goes (interviewing with SF and LA so far) while he takes the years necessary to put a decent Offense together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    Wow you need to back away from the ledge a bit. Most speculation around here is that after having gone through the "hot assistant" route with Bradley, that they will lean towards the former HC route. There's a lot of evidence towards coaches that learn from their mistakes the first time like Belicheck or Pete Carroll.

    Along those lines there was an interesting article on the learning curve of Josh McDaniels

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...pick-his-spots

    But, Jags should certainly be able to get who they want. One of the NFL writers polled 6 GM's as to the most attractive job. Denver was unanimous as #1 but Jax was number 2.

    Pats DC Matt Patricia is now rumored to be interviewing.
    The next time I read something good from bleacher report will be the first time.

    Forget the ex-Pats Assistants. Over-rated every time.

    There is no learning curve for McDaniels. He was the over-micro-managing Belichick's minion for a while. If he learned anything, it was "to not delegate and do not trust your Assistants". He took that education to Denver and was a complete flop on and off the field. Where's the learning curve? He ended up back being the monkey for Belichich, at which he seemed to be qualified to do. I don't believe he could succeed as an Offensive Coordinator anywhere else, yet alone be put in charge of an entire team's Offense, Defense and Special Teams.

    I like Khan. I like his business models. I like his patience. I think any G.M. should get 5 years. I like Caldwell. But, I think Caldwell should have went another direction last year with the Coaching Staff, especially given the attiude that Bortles displayed as a player, Quarterback and potential leader. He would have two years with a new Coaching staff to see if he's earned the right to continue on as GM. after five years. Now, Kahn will have to make that decision after one season. As a G.M., it's not just Coaches you have to pick, but it's also an attitude that you have to permeate throughout the organization. Bortles' attitude is more of a refelection on Caldwell than it is on Bradley, and it's more of a reflection on Kahn than it is on Caldwell. Attitude flows down through an organization from the top.

    I'm OK with, and I think it's right, giving Caldwell one more season, but Caldwell has painted himself into a corner, being forced to go with an established HC with a recent history of failure instead of success, when he could have rolled the dice last year with another proven Assistant who was ready to take the next step in his career.

    It's not a matter of having tried one direction, it not having worked, then to try the other. Picking an Assistant ready for the next step is still the right way to go. Attempting it multiple times is how you end up with a good HC.

    Kahn is as decisive as he is patient. He won't hesitate to get rid of Caldwell next season if Dave's choice of a new Coaching staff doesn't accomplish all of these three things:

    1. Change Bortles's attitude 100%
    2. Continue the growth on Defense Bradley established
    3. Make the playoffs

    Caldwell will be gone next season, as he should be, if all of that is not accomplished next season.
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    But, Jags should certainly be able to get who they want. One of the NFL writers polled 6 GM's as to the most attractive job. Denver was unanimous as #1 but Jax was number 2.
    I'm guessing Mike Brown was not one of those G.M.'s.
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    It always bothers me when anyone tries to use Pete Carroll and Belichick as examples of Head Coaches who failed and became good Head Coaches at a later time. Those are the exceptions, not the norm. There are exceptions for any side of any discussion. Exceptions aren't reasons for doing something. It's playing the lottery, and you shouldn't play the lottery when it comes to running Billion-dollar organizations. Pete Carroll put his tail between his legs, went back to College, and had unmatched success. He then went to work for an owner with the deepest pockets in the NFL who was forward-thinking in both spending money on Free-agents, making trades regardless of the cost, not afraid to make mistakes, and innovative in all aspects of NFL Management. It was a unique situation matched up with a unique individual who thinks the same way.

    Belichick is the greatest HC in the last 30 years.

    Those two exceptions are not what one shoots for.

    Looking for an Assistant who will bring new ideas and not be a lemming of a Coach is how you find success in the NFL. Lemming Head Coaches go 8-8, ala Jeff Fisher and Marvin Lewis.
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    Well there's a little frustration in Jax town, as the Jags have become Silent Bob on the coaching process. All the info that has come out has been from reporters. That's in contrast to tweets from Elway, saying they are interviewing Shanahan, etc.

    There was one tweet that said Jags are more sold on Bortles than they indicated in the end of season press conference that talked about the coaching search. And that could be a turn off.

    Have seen several articles that indicates Denver would be Shanahan's top job and one from SF that indicates SF would be McDaniels. It appears we will pick from the leftovers.
    The lowest acceptable payroll amount for ownership to show they are not greedy pigs is 15 million more than they are currently paying. No matter what that currently is.

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    I could see the Jags making a hard run at Bill O'Brien were he to become available.
    I dont care, Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. Hes in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.

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    Re: Jacksonville Jaguars 2017 Season

    Zig Fracassi ‏@ZigFracassi 31m31 minutes ago
    Mark Dominik: No other coaching interviews for the #Jaguars. They've honed in on their guy, w/a defensive background.

    So, Zig Fracassi is a Siruis XM broadcaster. And Mark Dominik is with Sirius and is former GM of Buccaneers.

    The interesting part of this tweet if true is that the Jags only interviewed ONE defensive guy. Former Atl HC Mike Smith (former Jags DC).

    If this happens, people will be very interested to see who OC would be. Mike McCoy would make people pretty happy.
    The lowest acceptable payroll amount for ownership to show they are not greedy pigs is 15 million more than they are currently paying. No matter what that currently is.

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    Re: Jacksonville Jaguars 2017 Season

    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    Zig Fracassi ‏@ZigFracassi 31m31 minutes ago
    Mark Dominik: No other coaching interviews for the #Jaguars. They've honed in on their guy, w/a defensive background.

    So, Zig Fracassi is a Siruis XM broadcaster. And Mark Dominik is with Sirius and is former GM of Buccaneers.

    The interesting part of this tweet if true is that the Jags only interviewed ONE defensive guy. Former Atl HC Mike Smith (former Jags DC).

    If this happens, people will be very interested to see who OC would be. Mike McCoy would make people pretty happy.
    Are you happy with Mike Smith?
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