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    Ezekiel Elliot Suspended for Domestic Abuse

    This one seems pretty problematic to me and an overreach by a league that has become hypersensitive to its branding.

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    It's absurd.

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    wow Goodell must be off his meds.
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    Re: Ezekiel Elliot Suspended for Domestic Abuse

    Hey Jojo, long time no argue haha.

    Elliott deserves the suspension. You can't do this as an NFL player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    Hey Jojo, long time no argue haha.

    You can't do this.
    FTFY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom Heffner View Post
    Hey Jojo, long time no argue haha.

    Elliott deserves the suspension. You can't do this as an NFL player.
    But that's the point.... there is actually questionable evidence suggesting he did what he was suspended for doing.
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    Re: Ezekiel Elliot Suspended for Domestic Abuse

    Even if it is unjust (and I don't know what evidence does or does not exist), the suspension may be what Elliot needs to grow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat13 View Post
    Even if it is unjust (and I don't know what evidence does or does not exist), the suspension may be what Elliot needs to grow up.
    The NFL is in a situation where if they go down the "Domestic Abuse" path is a pretty clear cut 6 game suspension. If they had any evidence, I don't know if they are going to back down at all, especially with all the bad press they have gotten in the past.

    IMO you can't compare what Zeke did to Josh Brown or Joe Mixon (which have been thrown out as examples) because Brown's happened prior to the policy going into effect and Mixon's has been debated about but it all comes back to it happening prior to him being an employee of the league.

    I could only imagine what I would be doing if I had Zeke's talent at that age. I don't know if "growing up" is the best terminology, I would put it at making better decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    IMO you can't compare what Zeke did to Josh Brown or Joe Mixon (which have been thrown out as examples) because Brown's happened prior to the policy going into effect and Mixon's has been debated about but it all comes back to it happening prior to him being an employee of the league.
    Sure you can. Regardless of whenever a rule went into effect, Goodell has absolute power to impose any length of suspension he pleases. Ray Rice was suspended initially for two games for one instance for domestic violence that was caught on video. Josh Brown was suspended one game for multiple instances of domestic violence that were documented by him and the police. Tom Brady gets suspended four games for Deflategate. There is no real hard and fast rule for punishments. Nobody knew Elliot's suspension would be six games. There was speculation it might be but no one actually knew. Jerry Jones is biased but he is still close to Goodell and he didn't think there was anything to it. We'll see what happens when the next incident happens - and believe you me, it will happen.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the facts concerning the allegations with Elliot seem to be in question though. Is this not correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the facts concerning the allegations with Elliot seem to be in question though. Is this not correct?
    To the NFL, facts don't matter. As long as there is suspicion of wrongdoing, there will be discipline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Sure you can. Regardless of whenever a rule went into effect, Goodell has absolute power to impose any length of suspension he pleases. Ray Rice was suspended initially for two games for one instance for domestic violence that was caught on video. Josh Brown was suspended one game for multiple instances of domestic violence that were documented by him and the police. Tom Brady gets suspended four games for Deflategate. There is no real hard and fast rule for punishments. Nobody knew Elliot's suspension would be six games. There was speculation it might be but no one actually knew. Jerry Jones is biased but he is still close to Goodell and he didn't think there was anything to it. We'll see what happens when the next incident happens - and believe you me, it will happen.
    Goodell has the ultimate power, but you can't punish someone for doing something prior to them becoming an employee. The same thing can be said if your employer institutes a new policy and then begins to "punish" employees who were in violation of that policy before it was binding.

    Six games is the new precedent, it wasn't the precedent when Brown and Rice committed their acts. The NFL can't set a precedent and then all of a sudden say "well its not that bad" because that opens up all kinds of legal issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Goodell has the ultimate power, but you can't punish someone for doing something prior to them becoming an employee. The same thing can be said if your employer institutes a new policy and then begins to "punish" employees who were in violation of that policy before it was binding.

    Six games is the new precedent, it wasn't the precedent when Brown and Rice committed their acts. The NFL can't set a precedent and then all of a sudden say "well its not that bad" because that opens up all kinds of legal issues.
    You're ignoring the part where Goodell can do anything he wants. He doesn't have to answer to anyone but the owners. If he wanted to suspend Mixon, he could do it. As for the Brown and Rice suspensions, if you want to talk about precedents, the Rice suspension was precedent setting. If that's the case why did Brown only get one game? Because it wasn't on video? Or was it something else?
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    Re: Ezekiel Elliot Suspended for Domestic Abuse

    I just have a hard time understanding a player being suspended by the NFL for a significant period of time when he's not convicted of a crime. 1 or 2 games with questionable evidence is one thing, but a suspension of 40% of the season based on evidence that was not even strong enough to bring to trial seems crazy.

    What I don't understand is why the NFL doesn't have a clear process in place for this. The easy thing, and what makes the most sense, is to base suspensions on what the justice system rules, as opposed to the NFL's investigative team, which has proven to be questionable. Also, why would the NFL have a team of investigators looking into criminal matters?!

    If the NFL wants to be tough on domestic violence, great. Make the suspension 1 season if a player is convicted. No suspension if a player is not convicted. That's pretty cut and dry with a clear standard that also levies a very strong penalty.

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    Re: Ezekiel Elliot Suspended for Domestic Abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    You're ignoring the part where Goodell can do anything he wants. He doesn't have to answer to anyone but the owners. If he wanted to suspend Mixon, he could do it. As for the Brown and Rice suspensions, if you want to talk about precedents, the Rice suspension was precedent setting. If that's the case why did Brown only get one game? Because it wasn't on video? Or was it something else?
    I guess he could have suspended Mixon if he wanted, but its not something the NFL wants to fight. Suspending someone for something that happened prior to employment, was punished by both the courts an his college team, that would have been challenged in court, and probably lost by the NFL.

    Rice's suspension set a precedent until the NFL instituted a new policy so it is no longer a precedent. Brown wasn't suspended for longer because his actions happened long before the Rice incident.


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