Turn Off Ads?
Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 46 to 60 of 67

Thread: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

  1. #46
    Member Bourgeois Zee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    4,133

    Re: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    This is not the popular consensus, only yours. The worst I've seen scouts/writers say is that he might be AAA tweener, which is apparently what you view his ceiling as.
    I'd argue a AAA 'tweener (which is pretty much the consensus outside of doug) is the very definition of fringe prospect.

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #47
    Someday Never Comes mth123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    21,616

    Re: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    I was with you in that regard, those aren't guys I'm using a 40 Man spot on. I thought you went overboard lumping a guy like Jackson Stephens in with that motley crew though.


    Reds go ahead on a Barnhart double, he's had a big game.
    My point was that Stephens was the least accomplished pitcher they should be interested in. If they need a spot, he should be the first to go. These other journeyman can't even pass that threshold and shouldn't even be in the picture IMO.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

  4. #48
    Member Tom Servo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    30,007

    Re: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    I'd argue a AAA 'tweener (which is pretty much the consensus outside of doug) is the very definition of fringe prospect.
    Again I'm not sure what consensus you guys are looking at. Going into this year Fangraphs said a platoon guy. Baseball Prosepctus said he could be a solid regular. That's not "5th outfielder riding the bus to Louisville", I haven't seen anybody that down on him outside of Redszone.

    Personally, I envision a solid 4th outfielder.
    I dont care, Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. Hes in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.

  5. #49
    Member Bourgeois Zee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    4,133

    Re: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

    Reds up 7 - 5 after Price intelligently challenges call on field.

  6. #50
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Posts
    8,017

    Re: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

    Scott gets bailed out of his knuckleheadness.

  7. #51
    Someday Never Comes mth123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    21,616

    Re: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    Reds up 7 - 5 after Price intelligently challenges call on field.
    They're tanking. That may hurt the draft position. Fire his butt.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

  8. #52
    Someday Never Comes mth123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    21,616

    Re: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Again I'm not sure what consensus you guys are looking at. Going into this year Fangraphs said a platoon guy. Baseball Prosepctus said he could be a solid regular. That's not "5th outfielder riding the bus to Louisville", I haven't seen anybody that down on him outside of Redszone.

    Personally, I envision a solid 4th outfielder.
    Is it the .250BA, the below .400 slugging percentage or the fact that his organization relegated him to being a corner OF that give you that impression? None of that screams big league prospect.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

  9. #53
    Member Tom Servo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    30,007

    Re: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Is it the .250BA, the below .400 slugging percentage or the fact that his organization relegated him to being a corner OF that give you that impression? None of that screams big league prospect.
    It's probably the tools and not just the numbers. Try telling the Nationals this year that they should have stopped giving Brian Goodwin playing time because his minor league numbers were disappointing and see what they say.
    I dont care, Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. Hes in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.

  10. #54
    Member Bourgeois Zee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    4,133

    Re: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Again I'm not sure what consensus you guys are looking at.
    He's ranked 23rd among Red prospects by Mayo. His blurb mentions a possible Marlon Byrd career, but he's behind Winker, Hamilton, Duvall, and Schebler at the major league level and a questionable CF according to all. That pegs him as a fifth OF. At best.

    BP said, in 2016, "...it’s tough to see him becoming more than a fourth outfielder." They followed that up with a comment about his play during the season, "Ervin’s been a mess since returning to Triple A after a quick cup of coffee. The combination of his own poor performance and Scott Schebler’s breakout has Ervin drifting farther away from significant 2017 time in Cincinnati."

    The best John Sickels could say about a professional career: "I think it’s possible. No, he’s not going to hit .300 or be the star the Reds originally envisioned, but if he can hit .240-.250, his speed and power should still give him a career."

    If he becomes a Chris Heisey type, I'd be tickled to death. I just don't see the (minor league evidence of) power.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    Scott gets bailed out of his knuckleheadness.
    How so?

    He was safe. It was a good play.

  11. #55
    Someday Never Comes mth123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    21,616

    Re: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    It's probably the tools and not just the numbers. Try telling the Nationals this year that they should have stopped giving Brian Goodwin playing time because his minor league numbers were disappointing and see what they say.
    I get the tools. But they basically have never shown up in games since his draft year. Goodwin went .280/.349/.438/.787 in AAA in 2016 and actually did play the majority of his games in CF.

    Ervin does have good plate discipline, which is why he's intriguing, but you have to hit for it to matter when making the jump and he really hasn't hit much IMO.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

  12. #56
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Posts
    8,017

    Re: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    He's ranked 23rd among Red prospects by Mayo. His blurb mentions a possible Marlon Byrd career, but he's behind Winker, Hamilton, Duvall, and Schebler at the major league level and a questionable CF according to all. That pegs him as a fifth OF. At best.

    BP said, in 2016, "...it’s tough to see him becoming more than a fourth outfielder." They followed that up with a comment about his play during the season, "Ervin’s been a mess since returning to Triple A after a quick cup of coffee. The combination of his own poor performance and Scott Schebler’s breakout has Ervin drifting farther away from significant 2017 time in Cincinnati."

    The best John Sickels could say about a professional career: "I think it’s possible. No, he’s not going to hit .300 or be the star the Reds originally envisioned, but if he can hit .240-.250, his speed and power should still give him a career."

    If he becomes a Chris Heisey type, I'd be tickled to death. I just don't see the (minor league evidence of) power.

    - - - Updated - - -



    How so?

    He was safe. It was a good play.

    Did you watch the play? He ran through the stop sign. Catcher was waiting for him but tagged through him instead of at him. It was not a good play. It was a bad play to run through the sign with 1 out and a worse play by the catcher to bail him out.

  13. #57
    Member Tom Servo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Chicago, IL
    Posts
    30,007

    Re: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Reds go ahead on a Barnhart double, he's had a big game.
    Now a three run jack by Tucker
    I dont care, Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. Hes in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.

  14. Likes:

    mth123 (09-10-2017),_Sir_Charles_ (09-10-2017)

  15. #58
    Haunted by walks
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Syracuse
    Posts
    8,436

    Re: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

    Tucky!

  16. #59
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Posts
    8,017

    Re: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I get the tools. But they basically have never shown up in games since his draft year. Goodwin went .280/.349/.438/.787 in AAA in 2016 and actually did play the majority of his games in CF.

    Ervin does have good plate discipline, which is why he's intriguing, but you have to hit for it to matter when making the jump and he really hasn't hit much IMO.
    Give me his plate discipline and his other tools over Kiev for the bench spot then. I will take that plus the fact I think he could outperform Billy and help the team not wear Hamilton out.

  17. #60
    Knowledge Is Good Big Klu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    Cambridge, OH
    Posts
    27,084

    Re: 9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Now a three run jack by Tucker
    Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman. Damn glad to meet ya.

  18. Likes:

    RED VAN HOT (09-10-2017),Tom Servo (09-10-2017),WrongVerb (09-10-2017),_Sir_Charles_ (09-10-2017)


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | cumberlandreds | Gallen5862 | JaxRed | Plus Plus | Powel Crosley | RedlegJake | RedsfaninMT | The Operator