Last edited by M2; 10-04-2017 at 04:39 PM.
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Hoosier Red (10-05-2017)
REDREAD (10-05-2017)
In addition to the 20M$ posting fee. Ohtani is not a Japanese free agent.
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He can only sign a minor league deal. If he waits 2 years he can sign a major league deal for tens of millions of $'s (assuming he stays healthy and productive).
I would say, only if he earns it.
If he were to come over here, be added to a 40 man roster and put up a 6 ERA or a .100 BAVG in a couple of weeks of play and then signs an extension I'd bet MLB would step in and void the initial contract. They seem to be very serious about preventing any teams from sidestepping the latest IFA rules in the new collective bargaining agreement. Now if he comes over and has a 2 ERA or a .300 BAVG in his first season and then signs an extension I don't think MLB would do anything.
That's about his bonus, which is important to minor league players because they wouldn't be paid much otherwise. Yet if he plays in MLB from day one, he'll have a major league contract. What I'm saying is I'm pretty sure the Reds can chose to pay him more than the minimum on a MLB deal (just like the Astros did with Singleton). I haven't been able to do an exhaustive search, but so far I've found no prohibition of it in the sources I've checked.
Last edited by M2; 10-04-2017 at 07:09 PM.
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REDREAD (10-05-2017)
They can, but you're going to get in trouble if you go outside of the norm. The biggest issue is, you just can't do it in year 1 because then baseball is going to know you told him you would do that, and that's skirting the rules. So in year two you offer him, what $1.5-2M? Then he hits arbitration, or you buy them out, and you're still going 7-10-15-20 after that.
First off, they'd need to offer him the deal up front. No need to play games. And if they buy a year or two of free agency on the back end of the deal, then I don't think MLB can void it. It's a case of paying more now in return for more years of control. There's precedent for that sort of contract in recent MLB history. MLB let the Astros do it.
And is Rob Manfred really going to invent a rule that blocks a small market club from showing outstanding gumption, creativity and risk tolerance in bringing a young ace to middle America? I'm thinking that's a PR disaster if he tries it.
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I think it's as simple as "they can." It's not skirting the rules to send him straight to the MLB. We just don't see that in other cases because other international prospects are as ready-made as Otani. He's already outside the norm. He might even play two ways. Risk tolerance is how the Reds get into this game. They can't offer bonus money, but they can offer a Singleton contract.
And if they want to cover their bases, offer up a similar deal to Senzel. Then the Reds can say, "You let us pay this 22-year-old player over here, but not that 23-year-old player over there?"
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It actually sounds like they CAN'T offer that kind of contract. Baseball America and Fangraphs have both covered it in the past. It sounds like MLB is saying that no, they can't actually do that. We will see how it all plays out in the long run, but it seems that people more in the know are saying that MLB is not going to let that kind of thing happen immediately.
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