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    Re: Reds defense and Gold Gloves 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Barnhart may not have been a hot shot prospect, but he was considered outstanding defensively from the day he entered the organization.
    The debate on Barnhart seems to be his framing. His blocking and throwing are clearly quite good. But his framing stats are among the worst in baseball, more than giving back the rest if you believe the math.

    Per http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php

    2017: -1.59 calls per game (-22.2 runs total, 3rd worst in baseball)
    2016: -0.30 calls per game
    2015: +0.09 calls per game

    Per BP: http://legacy.baseballprospectus.com...hp?cid=1899564

    Among the 72 catchers with 1000 framing chances, Barnhart is 2nd best in MLB in Blocking Runs, 1st in Throwing Runs, and 69th in Framing Runs, for a total of -2.7 runs or slightly below average overall.

    Part of that may be working with so many pitchers who can't seem to hit the broad side of the barn -- umps punish guys for missing their target badly. I'm not sure why he seems to have performed so badly on that front this year. But suffice to say that there appears to be a weakness in his defensive game, though he clearly excels in other parts.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Reds Have Four Gold Glove Finalists

    http://m.reds.mlb.com/news/article/2...ove-finalists/
    The Reds felt they were among the best defensive teams in the National League in 2017, and on Thursday, they were given validation for that assertion.

    First baseman Joey Votto, left fielder Adam Duvall, center fielder Billy Hamilton and catcher Tucker Barnhart were named Rawlings NL Gold Glove Award finalists. Each player is one of three nominees at his respective position for the prestigious award that recognizes the best defensive player at each position for each league. The four nominations are an NL high for any club.

    The winners will be unveiled on Nov. 7 at 9 p.m. ET.

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    Re: Reds Have Four Gold Glove Finalists

    Longer discussion from last week when it was announced:

    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...ld-Gloves-2017

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    Re: Reds Have Four Gold Glove Finalists

    Winners will be announced tonight at 7pm est. on ESPN.
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    Re: Reds defense and Gold Gloves 2017

    Announcements on now. Let’s see if the Reds can actually win something.

    Votto - loses out to Goldschmidt.

    Duvall - loses out to Ozuna.

    Hamilton - loses out to Inciarte.

    I’ll let someone else call the catching decision.
    Last edited by Kc61; 11-07-2017 at 10:27 PM.

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    Re: Reds defense and Gold Gloves 2017

    Votto did not win.

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    Re: Reds defense and Gold Gloves 2017

    Duvall did not win.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Hamilton did not win.

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    Re: Reds defense and Gold Gloves 2017

    Tucker wins!!

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    Re: Reds defense and Gold Gloves 2017

    Tucker Barnhart wins! Amazing, he beat out Molina and Posey.

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    Re: Reds defense and Gold Gloves 2017

    I love it. He was clearly deserving, but thatís two big names to beat out. Hereís hoping itís the first of many.

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    Re: Reds defense and Gold Gloves 2017

    I thought Hamilton would finally win. Great news on Tucker.

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    Re: Reds defense and Gold Gloves 2017

    Billy was robbed. I thought now that we have advanced metrics on defense, Gold Glove winners would be more accurate. Billy was the clear winner this year.
    The team Matheny described several times this weekend as the team he thinks the Cardinals could be, is actually the team the Reds have become.

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    Re: Reds defense and Gold Gloves 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by OGB View Post
    Barnhart doesn't have a prayer and it's a crying shame.
    Couldn't be happier to have been completely wrong
    (Referring to Jack Hannahan signing with a Korean team)
    Since there are no teams on the moon, I guess South Korea's far enough from Cincinnati to satisfy me.
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    Re: Reds defense and Gold Gloves 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Billy was robbed. I thought now that we have advanced metrics on defense, Gold Glove winners would be more accurate. Billy was the clear winner this year.
    Statcast data strongly disagrees that Billy was the clear winner. In fact, he was a clear 3rd best among the finalists.

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    Re: Reds defense and Gold Gloves 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Statcast data strongly disagrees that Billy was the clear winner. In fact, he was a clear 3rd best among the finalists.
    Interesting. Thanks for the info.

    So Statcast strongly disagrees with UZR. Can we find Statcast data anywhere?
    The team Matheny described several times this weekend as the team he thinks the Cardinals could be, is actually the team the Reds have become.


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