You see the same stuff in big corporations, guys paid lots of money to sit on boards and provide nothing but smiles.
You see the same stuff in big corporations, guys paid lots of money to sit on boards and provide nothing but smiles.
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*BaseClogger* (10-31-2017),REDREAD (11-03-2017)
REDREAD (11-03-2017)
What is really strange is that trading Perez was likely at the time the absolute correct baseball move.
The Reds had Danny Driessen ready to lay first, and he was younger, faster, a way better fielder, and likely a better hitter going forward.
While Drieesen didn't develop as a hitter as much as they thought, Perez did continue to hit and the Reds missed his club house presence a fair bit.
At the end of the day, Driessen actually was a slightly better player than Perez over the next 4 years (on a cumulative basis), but even Sparky mentioned how much Tony was missed in the club house.
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Revering4Blue (11-04-2017)
I was actually surprised by your mention of the 10/5 rule because I was skeptical that it was in place back then, but I just did some research for myself and see that it was in place as early as 1975; with a first mention involving the Rusty Staub, Mickey Lolich trade at the 1975 winter meetings. Lolich had 10/5 rights and initially demurred. I had forgotten that this rule dated back to the advent of free agency.
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mth123 (11-02-2017),RedsBaron (11-03-2017),Revering4Blue (11-03-2017)
I mean, it's possible..... but I'd much rather see that kind of money spent on baseball people - be it scouts or analytics guys. Not a 75-year-old former player who, realistically, isn't giving them any information that's going to likely be useful on any decision they have to make.
If the scout can generate 1 win a year he's worth $8M. And you could hire two scouts for that same price of one Tony Perez.
In terms of marketing/PR, I'd bet you could get him to come into town for an appearance for $10K a pop. I'd explore that kind of option before throwing down $100K.
Last edited by dougdirt; 11-03-2017 at 12:52 AM.
And corporate mid-level managers that are paid huge money to manage 2-3 other managers (who are also highly paid and should need minimal supervision).
These mid-level managers do not provide any kind of vision or leadership or decision making, they just exist to pass status up the food chain.
Now some mid-level managers add value, but many don't.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
I am skeptical Tony Perez would add much marketing value at all.
IIRC, Tony was traded after 1976 season. That was over 40 years ago.
Now, he came back in the mid 80's as a pinch hitter and backup 1b, but the people that saw him then (and not in the 70s) are not likely to be wowed.
It just seems that the people that remember Perez at his peak are going to be around 45-50 or older.. Those type of people are not likely to get all excited that a last place team has a BRM guy doing publicity (not likely to influence them buying tickets). I bet only a tiny percentage of fans can even name one "special assistant to the GM" on the Reds. I can't.
Now, bringing Tony back in the 80s as a pinch hitter was a brilliant marketing move.
[Phil ] Castellini celebrated the team's farm system and noted the team had promising prospects who would one day be great Reds -- and then joke then they'd be ex-Reds, saying "of course we're going to lose them". #SellTheTeamBob
Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!
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LoganBuck (11-04-2017),RedlegJake (11-04-2017),Revering4Blue (11-03-2017)
My take: Leave the Big Red Machine guys for whatever manufactured marketing weekend you come up with every year, and keep the old guys far away from Dick Williams. The "brain trust" in Miami has been doing bad things for years. Keep them far away.
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