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    Re: Secret of their success: get a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Z-Fly View Post
    For the ERA+ number, we should probably factor the DH in Offense and Defense, which would put the Reds further from the Astros pitching than it currently looks.
    And the hitting gap, while substantial, a bit less since the Astros get to use an extra bat.

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    Re: Secret of their success: get a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    There's no such thing as a can't miss draft pick. Doesn't exist. So that plan doesn't exactly work. But even if it did, you can't know when you have the chance to draft that guy. If there's a can't miss shortstop, and you aren't drafting 1st or 2nd in the year he does show up, you aren't getting him.

    The Reds have options to turn their pitching around. Maybe it doesn't happen, but the hope is there with arms like Mahle, Stephenson, Romano, Garrett, Finnegan, DeSclafani, Gutierrez, Santillan - yeah, there's some hope involved there. But at least there's hope and a plethora of options. At shortstop, there's literally Jose Peraza as the most upside guy at shortstop of anyone that's played in full-season baseball for the organization. If you're looking at priorities, that seems like a far bigger one to me.
    Somehow well-run teams with deep pockets still draft can't miss prospects; on the offensive end, you can get very close to can't miss. The Reds organization is just not very good at recognizing that certain something in youngsters, especially pitchers. Though they are better on the offensive side.

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    Re: Secret of their success: get a SS

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    Somehow well-run teams with deep pockets still draft can't miss prospects; on the offensive end, you can get very close to can't miss. The Reds organization is just not very good at recognizing that certain something in youngsters, especially pitchers. Though they are better on the offensive side.
    Of Houston's nine first round picks between 2010 and 2015 -- seven were hitters. Springer, Correa and Bregman among them.

    Interestingly, all were right-handed hitters. That might be a small ineffeciency in the market -- scouts love those sweet lefty swings.
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    Re: Secret of their success: get a SS

    I can't read all the pages at the moment, has anyone made the joke that the Reds need to get a back-up first baseman yet?

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    Re: Secret of their success: get a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    Of Houston's nine first round picks between 2010 and 2015 -- seven were hitters. Springer, Correa and Bregman among them.

    Interestingly, all were right-handed hitters. That might be a small ineffeciency in the market -- scouts love those sweet lefty swings.
    Their ballpark was made for right-handed hitters. (Danny Graves hit two HR's there.)
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    Re: Secret of their success: get a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Somehow well-run teams with deep pockets still draft can't miss prospects; on the offensive end, you can get very close to can't miss. The Reds organization is just not very good at recognizing that certain something in youngsters, especially pitchers. Though they are better on the offensive side.
    Like who? Who is this well-run team with deep pockets who drafted can't miss guys, with any sort of consistency? Can't miss guys are taken in the top 5. Or, before the draft pools, were paid like they were Top 5 guys. It's not usually the deep pocket teams drafting in the Top 5.

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    Re: Secret of their success: get a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    They have a whole lot of needs. Shortstop is one of the biggest ones.
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    The Reds need help in a lot of places.

    My point all along has been simply this: They need more than pitching to compete with the big boys, so maybe we should stop focusing solely on "must get more pitching". They must get better in areas other than pitching, too.
    At the moment I don't care about competing with the big boys, I care about a winning ball club. Just to get over .500 they have to replace the worst pitching staff in the majors. If they don't do that they'll never have a winning season. I'll take pitching and the worst short stop in the majors over the opposite.

    This is not the 250M$ a year Dodgers or Yankees we are talking about, there are going to have to be weak spots on the roster - pitching can't be one of them.
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    Re: Secret of their success: get a SS

    In 2012 Cozart started 131 games for the Reds at SS, and hit an abysmal .246 - .288 - .399 yet the Reds won 97 games.

    Why?

    Because their five man rotation started 161 games, averaged over 6 innings a start, and posted a 3.64 ERA (5th best in the majors).

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    Re: Secret of their success: get a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinsm View Post
    In 2012 Cozart started 131 games for the Reds at SS, and hit an abysmal .246 - .288 - .399 yet the Reds won 97 games.

    Why?

    Because their five man rotation started 161 games, averaged over 6 innings a start, and posted a 3.64 ERA (5th best in the majors).
    Yes. If you can have the best pitching staff in baseball you can get away with a bad hitter or two.

    As I said, there's more than one way to get things done. But it seems that all anyone seems to think about is that the Reds have to do it only by improving the pitching.

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    Re: Secret of their success: get a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo View Post
    Of Houston's nine first round picks between 2010 and 2015 -- seven were hitters. Springer, Correa and Bregman among them.

    Interestingly, all were right-handed hitters. That might be a small ineffeciency in the market -- scouts love those sweet lefty swings.
    The Crawford boxes were designed for right handed power hitters. Adam Duvall would be a 40 home run guy there pretty easily IMO.
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    Re: Secret of their success: get a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Yes. If you can have the best pitching staff in baseball you can get away with a bad hitter or two.

    As I said, there's more than one way to get things done. But it seems that all anyone seems to think about is that the Reds have to do it only by improving the pitching.
    You don't have to have the best pitching staff in baseball to get away with 1 or 2 bad hitters.

    There is only one way to get this team back to being respectable, developing and signing better pitching.

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    Re: Secret of their success: get a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Like who? Who is this well-run team with deep pockets who drafted can't miss guys, with any sort of consistency? Can't miss guys are taken in the top 5. Or, before the draft pools, were paid like they were Top 5 guys. It's not usually the deep pocket teams drafting in the Top 5.
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    Re: Secret of their success: get a SS

    Reds have their young 800+ ops shortstop on the roster, they just play him at third.

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    Re: Secret of their success: get a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    Reds have their young 800+ ops shortstop on the roster, they just play him at third.
    That's my thinking too. But the organization seems dead set against it.

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    Re: Secret of their success: get a SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    That's my thinking too. But the organization seems dead set against it.
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