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    Stanton to the Cardinals doesn't feel like a thing. JD Martinez on the other hand...
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    Re: Stanton a Ratbird?

    Perhaps I'm totally off base, but I'd be surprised if any trade involving Stanton was more than just a salary dump.

    Very few teams have the financial wherewithal to absorb his $295+ million contract and those that do aren't likely to offer up multiple prospects for the right to assume that sort of liability. The Marlins could agree to eat some of the contract in order to facilitate a better prospect haul but they're allegedly looking to cut $40+ million worth of payroll for 2018 and would be hard pressed to do so without getting Stanton's entire contract off their books.

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    Re: Stanton a Ratbird?

    Quote Originally Posted by nmculbreth View Post
    Perhaps I'm totally off base, but I'd be surprised if any trade involving Stanton was more than just a salary dump.

    Very few teams have the financial wherewithal to absorb his $295+ million contract and those that do aren't likely to offer up multiple prospects for the right to assume that sort of liability. The Marlins could agree to eat some of the contract in order to facilitate a better prospect haul but they're allegedly looking to cut $40+ million worth of payroll for 2018 and would be hard pressed to do so without getting Stanton's entire contract off their books.
    Yup, he's going to the team that is willing to take on most of his salary. And it has to be a team Stanton wants to play for. So a lot of factors but the 'return' isn't one.
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    Re: Stanton a Ratbird?

    Quote Originally Posted by nmculbreth View Post
    Perhaps I'm totally off base, but I'd be surprised if any trade involving Stanton was more than just a salary dump.

    Very few teams have the financial wherewithal to absorb his $295+ million contract and those that do aren't likely to offer up multiple prospects for the right to assume that sort of liability. The Marlins could agree to eat some of the contract in order to facilitate a better prospect haul but they're allegedly looking to cut $40+ million worth of payroll for 2018 and would be hard pressed to do so without getting Stanton's entire contract off their books.
    The Dodgers have an insane amount of money (revenue) and $40M in salaries coming off the books after 2018 (Gonzalez & Kazmir).

    They already have a bit of a longjam in the OF (Taylor, Puig, Hernandez, Pederson, Toles, Verdugo, Bellinger), but that would just mean more talent they could flip to shore up their bullpen.

    They're a team that could legit take the risk that Stanton picks up the last 7 years of his contract. And they're at a point roster-construction wise where it's hard to find upgrades.

    I hadn't heard the West Coast thing before, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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    If I was the Dodgers, I'd offer Puig and Wood for Stanton. It's the deal that makes the most sense.
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    Re: Stanton a Ratbird?

    Quote Originally Posted by nmculbreth View Post
    Perhaps I'm totally off base, but I'd be surprised if any trade involving Stanton was more than just a salary dump.

    Very few teams have the financial wherewithal to absorb his $295+ million contract and those that do aren't likely to offer up multiple prospects for the right to assume that sort of liability. The Marlins could agree to eat some of the contract in order to facilitate a better prospect haul but they're allegedly looking to cut $40+ million worth of payroll for 2018 and would be hard pressed to do so without getting Stanton's entire contract off their books.
    The Marlins will work it out so that they only eat part of his salary if he doesn't opt out of his contract, it would be on the backend of the contract. If he does opt out, then they pay none of it. They're not concerned with paying a portion of it 5+ years down the road, they need the money off the books now to pay down debt from purchasing the ballclub.

    The only way he doesn't opt out is if he sucks, that's when Jeter's group would kick in salary. A number of clubs will be all over that kind of trade, it's the added insurance they need in case he goes down hill and they'll have no problem paying him 25M$ per over the next 3 seasons. The Marlins shouldn't have to pay a single dollar of his salary next season. And they should be able to get a decent return with that added "insurance" clause.
    Last edited by Kinsm; 11-05-2017 at 02:48 AM.

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    Re: Stanton a Ratbird?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinsm View Post
    The Marlins will work it out so that they only eat part of his salary if he doesn't opt out of his contract, it would be on the backend of the contract. If he does opt out, then they pay none of it. They're not concerned with paying a portion of it 5+ years down the road, they need the money off the books now to pay down debt from purchasing the ballclub.

    The only way he doesn't opt out is if he sucks, that's when Jeter's group would kick in salary. A number of clubs will be all over that kind of trade, it's the added insurance they need in case he goes down hill and they'll have no problem paying him 25M$ per over the next 3 seasons. The Marlins shouldn't have to pay a single dollar of his salary next season. And they should be able to get a decent return with that added "insurance" clause.
    I seem to remember reading something on MLBTrade Rumors that the Marlins only wanted salary dump and MLB players coming back...I think that makes the Dodgers and Giants both options...

    Also, is it just me or does the stated reports of Prado, Stanton and one or two others being available seem to be a pipe dream for them to reach a 90m payroll?
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    Re: Stanton a Ratbird?

    The Padres could offer Renfroe, Quantrill, and Urias.

    That'd be enough for me, were I Jeter. (Assuming SD paid all the salary.)

    LA could counter with Yadier Alvarez, Puig, and Edwin Rios.

    San Francisco could give up Christian Arroyo, Chris Shaw, and Bryan Reynolds.

    The Angels could offer Jo Adell, Jahmai Jones, and Matt Thaiss.

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    Re: Stanton a Ratbird?

    So what do all the teams do when Stanton demands an extra 300M to accept a trade?

    Stanton has all the leverage in the world and can demand his own private island if he wants.

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    Re: Stanton a Ratbird?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    So what do all the teams do when Stanton demands an extra 300M to accept a trade?

    Stanton has all the leverage in the world and can demand his own private island if he wants.
    True, but what good is leverage if you price yourself out of the market? There are only a handful of teams who can pay through the nose. The question is not if they can, but will they.

    I think the team we need to watch is the Cubs. They have the money to pay Stanton and the talent to land him.
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    Re: Stanton a Ratbird?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    So what do all the teams do when Stanton demands an extra 300M to accept a trade?

    Stanton has all the leverage in the world and can demand his own private island if he wants.
    Im totally hoping that Stanton makes it difficult to be traded. Partly because I dont want the Marlins to get off the hook that easily (I mean, Jeter needs to struggle at first for everyones good, right?) and partly because this will end in a rich gets richer scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donder View Post
    I’m totally hoping that Stanton makes it difficult to be traded. Partly because I don’t want the Marlins to get off the hook that easily (I mean, Jeter needs to struggle at first for everyone’s good, right?) and partly because this will end in a rich gets richer scenario.
    Wouldn't most of the big market teams prefer to wait a season and see if they can sign Harper instead? That way they don't have to pony up prospects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CySeymour View Post
    Wouldn't most of the big market teams prefer to wait a season and see if they can sign Harper instead? That way they don't have to pony up prospects.
    While that's a good point, the counter argument is that a team that trades for Stanton is guaranteed to have him. There are no guarantees with Harper.
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    Re: Stanton a Ratbird?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaldaniels View Post
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    Re: Stanton a Ratbird?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    The dodgers?
    They seem like the only viable suitor on the Pacific coast. If they don't materialize, I don't see anyone who seems likely.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    What do you want exactly. The Reds to trade for a $300 million outfielder?
    We all know they can't/won't, but wouldn't it be awesome if they did?

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    The Giants seem like good suitors too.
    They've already got $140M in eight guaranteed contracts. It would be cool to see him there, but I doubt they can absorb his contract.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    I hope Stanton decides to stay in Miami
    All indications are Miami is hell-bent on trading him. And they're so desperate to move the full contract, he can probably be had for peanuts. The Marlins are going to want $0 of commitments in return.
    Last edited by M2; 11-05-2017 at 01:38 PM.
    Wait until the year after next year.

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