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    If the Sixer's were to get Walker, do you think that would take away from what Simmons does for them, as far as being a play maker.
    I think it would free up play-making and dribble penetration options for Simmons. Right now Simmons is the only effective moving piece in the starting lineup. Redick, Covington and Saric are hanging around the perimeter. It's too static. Add a guy like Kemba and you've suddenly got a whole new set of options. The ball movement improves, it gives you another penetrate and kick guy for the shooters, and imagine him working the pick-and-roll with Simmons.

    I fully recognize I could be wrong here, but we're in an era of Swiss Army guards, the Sixers don't have one and Walker is the best of his type on a bad team. I think if the Sixers can add that type of player it makes the whole team more dynamic.
    Wait until the year after next year.

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    Can the Rockets make it to the finals? Because I am wondering about Eric Gordon's trade value.
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    Can the Rockets make it to the finals? Because I am wondering about Eric Gordon's trade value.
    The Finals, no. I don't think they trade Gordon. He is pretty valuable to that team. I don't think there are any legitimate moves they could make to get to the Finals tho. At this point I think, barring injuries, it's a done deal the Warriors make the Finals.

    I think the real question is, what move do the Cavs make. The way this team is constructed right now, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't make the Eastern Conference Finals. I know every year they have a swoon where they stink, but this year seams different.
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    This is one of the reasons why I'm Kemba-centric when it comes to the Sixers. They need a guard with a premium handle who can shoot from deep, finish at the rim and execute a passing game. Maybe that will be Fultz, but it generally takes time for those types of players to round out their games (kind of like catchers in baseball or guys with deep amateur backgrounds in boxing). It's probably not a mistake that Donovan Mitchell, who's a little older than the other PGs from the recent draft, is playing the best out of that cohort.

    Philly needs an all-around guard to balance out all of the specialists on the roster. It would allow the team to play a more diversified game.
    I like Kemba Walker. But I'm not trading major assets to get a guy who's signed only until the end of next season. Even if the Sixers make the playoffs this season, they're not winning an NBA championship this year. I have enough patience to see how Fultz develops and to wait until after the season- when the Sixers will be able to spend oodles of money if they want to.

    I think folks forget that their current core (Embiid <23>, Simmons <21>, Saric <23>) are very young; having played only 218 NBA games combined. Covington is only 27. I'm just not trading any of that and/or first round draft picks to acquire Kemba Walker at this stage of the game. It just too much of a "finishing" move for a roster that's still in early stages of developing. A year or two from now (particularly if Fultz doesn't develop), then sure. But it's The Process and I'm gonna' trust it for a little while longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelSD View Post
    I like Kemba Walker. But I'm not trading major assets to get a guy who's signed only until the end of next season. Even if the Sixers make the playoffs this season, they're not winning an NBA championship this year. I have enough patience to see how Fultz develops and to wait until after the season- when the Sixers will be able to spend oodles of money if they want to.

    I think folks forget that their current core (Embiid <23>, Simmons <21>, Saric <23>) are very young; having played only 218 NBA games combined. Covington is only 27. I'm just not trading any of that and/or first round draft picks to acquire Kemba Walker at this stage of the game. It just too much of a "finishing" move for a roster that's still in early stages of developing. A year or two from now (particularly if Fultz doesn't develop), then sure. But it's The Process and I'm gonna' trust it for a little while longer.
    Plus, the very raw lottery talents TLC and Korkmaz, as well as Anzejs Pasecniks have to factor in down the line, too.
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    Plus, the very raw lottery talents TLC and Korkmaz, as well as Anzejs Pasecniks have to factor in down the line, too.
    It really highlights how thin the Sixers bench is that TLC is getting playing time in the NBA rather than the G-league at this point. He's not a bad talent, but he doesn't do anything particularly well. Korkmaz definitely needs more seasoning, baking, and finishing at the G-league level. He's fun to watch and I've yet to see someone who releases a three point shot as quickly. I hope his Lisfranc injury (left foot, mid-December) heals well.

    I'm not bullish on Pasecniks at all. I think he was a cheap flyer on finding another unicorn, but isn't. The guy I'd like to see next season is Jonah Bolden. He's got Swiss Army knife set of skills at 6'10", can run the floor, finish, and can really pass the rock. He's a little older (22) so he didn't look outmatched at all in the Summer League although sometimes looks like he's trying to do too much. If he can hold himself back just a little, he might be sneaky-good rotational guy as a direct substitution for Saric or for Simmons when McConnell hits the floor.
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    Re: 2017-18 NBA Season Part II: Electric Boogie-lu

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelSD View Post
    I like Kemba Walker. But I'm not trading major assets to get a guy who's signed only until the end of next season. Even if the Sixers make the playoffs this season, they're not winning an NBA championship this year. I have enough patience to see how Fultz develops and to wait until after the season- when the Sixers will be able to spend oodles of money if they want to.

    I think folks forget that their current core (Embiid <23>, Simmons <21>, Saric <23>) are very young; having played only 218 NBA games combined. Covington is only 27. I'm just not trading any of that and/or first round draft picks to acquire Kemba Walker at this stage of the game. It just too much of a "finishing" move for a roster that's still in early stages of developing. A year or two from now (particularly if Fultz doesn't develop), then sure. But it's The Process and I'm gonna' trust it for a little while longer.
    I'd take the risk I could extend Kemba, and I'd move Saric and/or Fultz to get him. Part of my thinking is Embiid strikes me as awfully Bill Walton in terms of health. My concern is Fultz might be a project for too long. They've hit on two critical pieces - Embiid and Simmons - which seems like it ought to open a new phase of the process. Time to add a now guy. At least that's my thinking.
    Wait until the year after next year.

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    Lillard returns for the last three games and brings the whole team down. He's clearly injured, took the ball out of Napier's hands, and single-handedly lost all three games in blowout fashion. I counted 10 Turnovers just in the first half that Lillard was personally responsible for. He tried to be the hero every game after watching the team play well and win without him. He did the same thing in Cleveland, being personally responsible for at least 10 Turnovers. It sucks because he hadn't played this way all season. But, it coincides with what he did the last two seasons, increase his usage rate in January in an attempt to increase his All-Star votes. It drops my respect for him, as he usually avoids this petty junk. But, as C.J. said in a post-game interview the other night, "we're all millionaires, so we are all professional and understand that we have to be ready when needed", referring to Harkless, the player-of-the-game vs OKC after he had a DNP-CD the game before.

    But, some are 200-Millionaire's like he and Dame, while it kills Dame that he's on the outside looking in every year when it comes to being considered for the All-Star game or Olympic squads. Last year he was healthy when he upped his usage rate and was awesome, earning a Player-of-the-Month award. The year before he had Plantar Fasciitus and was terrible. This year he has a bad hamstring and a high-ankle sprain, and these two injuries just caused him to pull something in his other thigh in compensating for the injuries.

    Stott's doesn't have the cahones to ever do what's right when it comes to Dame and C.J., so Portland's fans are stuck waching a whining Nurkic (who needs to quit whining all the time and just play better...try guarding a shooter once in a blue moon or boxing out an opponent once in a blue moon), an over-dribbling C.J. who can't make a layup, and a very hobbled Lillard trying to shoot himself into an All-Star selection (he's not going to get one until he gets his team either past the 2nd round, or a finish of 3rd in the Western Conference in the regular season.

    Stotts is doing his worst job as a Coach this season, and last year was his worst before this year. He's trending in the wrong direction. He got his extension before last year, May 23rd, 2016. He has one year left after this season.
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    Jimmy Butler has full taken over as the ace in Minnesota and that team is cruising. Towns has settled comfortably into the #2 option role. Jeff Teague also is demonstrating how much better the world gets when Ricky Rubio no longer is running your offense. It's also working so well, it doesn't even matter that Andrew Wiggins is kind of terrible.

    Losing Dion Waiters for the season seems to agree with the Heat.
    Wait until the year after next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    Lillard returns for the last three games and brings the whole team down. He's clearly injured, took the ball out of Napier's hands, and single-handedly lost all three games in blowout fashion. I counted 10 Turnovers just in the first half that Lillard was personally responsible for. He tried to be the hero every game after watching the team play well and win without him. He did the same thing in Cleveland, being personally responsible for at least 10 Turnovers. It sucks because he hadn't played this way all season. But, it coincides with what he did the last two seasons, increase his usage rate in January in an attempt to increase his All-Star votes. It drops my respect for him, as he usually avoids this petty junk. But, as C.J. said in a post-game interview the other night, "we're all millionaires, so we are all professional and understand that we have to be ready when needed", referring to Harkless, the player-of-the-game vs OKC after he had a DNP-CD the game before.

    But, some are 200-Millionaire's like he and Dame, while it kills Dame that he's on the outside looking in every year when it comes to being considered for the All-Star game or Olympic squads. Last year he was healthy when he upped his usage rate and was awesome, earning a Player-of-the-Month award. The year before he had Plantar Fasciitus and was terrible. This year he has a bad hamstring and a high-ankle sprain, and these two injuries just caused him to pull something in his other thigh in compensating for the injuries.

    Stott's doesn't have the cahones to ever do what's right when it comes to Dame and C.J., so Portland's fans are stuck waching a whining Nurkic (who needs to quit whining all the time and just play better...try guarding a shooter once in a blue moon or boxing out an opponent once in a blue moon), an over-dribbling C.J. who can't make a layup, and a very hobbled Lillard trying to shoot himself into an All-Star selection (he's not going to get one until he gets his team either past the 2nd round, or a finish of 3rd in the Western Conference in the regular season.

    Stotts is doing his worst job as a Coach this season, and last year was his worst before this year. He's trending in the wrong direction. He got his extension before last year, May 23rd, 2016. He has one year left after this season.
    This was a big win for the twolves. PTown has won the majority of the games between them the last few years and this win makes it 2-0 for Minny this year and is proof of their improvement.
    After what I have seen the last few weeks, When the twolves move the ball the way they did and play disruptive defense the way they did vrs Portland, they are a higher class than the other teams in their division.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Jimmy Butler has full taken over as the ace in Minnesota and that team is cruising. Towns has settled comfortably into the #2 option role. Jeff Teague also is demonstrating how much better the world gets when Ricky Rubio no longer is running your offense. It's also working so well, it doesn't even matter that Andrew Wiggins is kind of terrible.

    Losing Dion Waiters for the season seems to agree with the Heat.
    Wiggins is a far better player and contributor than he gets credit for. Calling him terrible is ridiculous.

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    Wiggins is a far better player and contributor than he gets credit for. Calling him terrible is ridiculous.
    Meh.

    He takes a bunch of shots, has been a poor shooter for the majority of his career, and plays really poor defense both on the ball and as a help defender.

    His athleticism has masked quite a few issues so far.

    Now, he's precociously young and talented, so he could develop into a monster.

    But so far (and especially this season), Wiggins has been a relative disappointment.

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    Re: 2017-18 NBA Season Part II: Electric Boogie-lu

    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo Rijo View Post
    Wiggins is a far better player and contributor than he gets credit for. Calling him terrible is ridiculous.
    His advanced stats are pretty bad - 13.4 PER, -2.3 Box Plus/Minus, -0.1 VORP, .478 eFG%. I don't see that much of him, but the coverage I've read/heard on him is he could become an albatross when his contract extension kicks in next season.
    Wait until the year after next year.

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    One trusted source pulled me aside at the @nbagleague Showcase last week in suburban Toronto and insisted that the Cavs will "definitely" swing at least one deal before the Feb. 8 trade deadline. But is there really one deal out there that closes this gap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    Meh.

    He takes a bunch of shots, has been a poor shooter for the majority of his career, and plays really poor defense both on the ball and as a help defender.

    His athleticism has masked quite a few issues so far.

    Now, he's precociously young and talented, so he could develop into a monster.

    But so far (and especially this season), Wiggins has been a relative disappointment.
    For being the #1 overall pick and his physical abilities i'll say he's developed a lot slower than most have anticipated. He may never develop a killer mentality that I believe he needs to take his game to the next level but none the less I feel like a 22 year old with a 20 ppg average for his 4 year career is a solid player.


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