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    Re: Votto MVPish

    Quote Originally Posted by CaiGuy View Post
    We should get back to the topic of this thread.

    Joey Votto is awesome!

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    Re: Votto MVPish

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    Why are we scared to give the best baseball player all the awards he deserves?!?! He is literally the best at everything. Its like “oh well others played good too.” NO! Joey Votto IS the best baseball player this year hands down!!
    The team Matheny described several times this weekend as the team he thinks the Cardinals could be, is actually the team the Reds have become.

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    Re: Votto MVPish

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    Coworker asked the chance he wins. I said 15% - 20%. Too low?

    I’m guessing he finishes 2nd.

    Also, between him and the GG finalists, who is most likely to actually win? I’ll guess if anything Billy finally gets his GG. Although a Tucker GG wouldn’t shock me.
    In MVP race, Votto can win in a close race if nobody dominates. A split vote.

    I could see Stanton dominating, but if not Joey has a shot.

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    Re: Votto MVPish

    I think Votto can win, because of the three finalists, only Goldy played on a contender. Playing on a crappy team is Votto’s biggest obsticle, but Stanton also played on a crappy team. Personally, I think Rendon deserves the award, but he didn’t make the final list.

    It comes down to whether voters vote for the better overall player, or the player with the sexier stats.
    The team Matheny described several times this weekend as the team he thinks the Cardinals could be, is actually the team the Reds have become.

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    I would also just like to point out that Votto hit a fairly pedestrian 378/568/694 for a 1262 OPS with men in scoring position. He also was walked in over 32% of these at bats. Nobody wants to pitch to the guy. For comparison sake, Stanton hit 253 with an 892 OPS in the same situations. Toss the RBI totals out the window. Also, to be fair, Goldy was awesome posting a 360 average with a 1085 OPS with men in scoring. Even though the traditional stat line doesn't show it, Votto outperformed them in this area too. Just didn't have the same supporting offensive cast.
    Last edited by americanoutlaw1; 11-11-2017 at 12:06 PM.

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    Re: Votto MVPish

    Brice's tweet sort of sums it up. When you look hard at the numbers, Votto was the best at everything. That's for all MLB, not just the NL. Staton should win most valuable home run hitter, but not MVP. Goldschmidt wasn't even the "best hitter on a playoff team" and was terrible down the stretch.

    Honestly it should be between Votto and Turner, with the slight edge going to JV.

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    Re: Votto MVPish

    You guys are arguing who should win on merit.

    I think this will come down to the voting pattern. One possibility is Stanton dominating, he’s the wow stats guy, 59 HRs, 132 RBIs.

    But just as likely - this is a heavily split vote. The big stats guys, Votto and Stanton aren’t playoff guys. The big playoff guys don’t quite have the stats.

    If the vote gets split among several, it could go any way, but in that scenario Votto has a heck of a good shot.
    Last edited by Kc61; 11-11-2017 at 01:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
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    Chip is right

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    Re: Votto MVPish

    From the above article:
    Votto offered at a whopping three pitches all season that had a CS Prob of zero. They aren’t good pitches, but assuming you’ve watched any plate appearance involving, say, Adam Jones or Javier Baez, your eyes won’t find these egregious.
    All told, Taillon threw Votto a total of 73 pitches in 2017–35 of which had less than a 50 percent chance of being called a strike. Votto swung at 25.7 percent of those. It was one of the best chase rates any pitcher mustered against him in a substantial sample. And for the trouble, Taillon got one measly swinging strike. No single pitcher squeezed more than three swinging chase strikes out of Votto all year.
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