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    10 Candidates On HOF's Modern Era Ballot

    The Modern Baseball Era Committee, which is charged with the process of electing players into the National Baseball Hall of Fame through the Veterans Committee process, announced 10 candidates for election on Monday.

    Steve Garvey
    Tommy John
    Don Mattingly
    Marvin Miller
    Jack Morris
    Dale Murphy
    Dave Parker
    Ted Simmons
    Luis Tiant
    Alan Trammell

    The vote is slated to be announced Dec. 10 live on MLB Network and MLB.com at 6 p.m. ET as the Winter Meetings open this year in Orlando, Fla. Any electees will be introduced at a media conference there the next day.
    The induction ceremony in Cooperstown, N.Y., next year is July 29 and will also include any inductees from the BBWAA ballot, which is slated to be released on Nov. 20.

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/260794...rn-era-ballot/

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    Re: 10 Candidates On HOF's Modern Era Ballot

    Who did Lou Whitaker make so angry that he's not on the list but Steve freakin' Garvey is?

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    Re: 10 Candidates On HOF's Modern Era Ballot

    Larkin - Trammell Comparison (Age 23 - 36 Prime Years)

    Larkin - 1,768 G - 7,485 PA - 1,107 R - 1,963 H - 176 HR - 351 SB - 71 CS - 803 BB - 643 K - .301 AVG - .378 OBP - .457 SLG - 122 OPS+ - 62.4 oWAR - 14.1 dWAR

    Trammell - 1,707 G - 7,190 PA - 957 R - 1,837 H - 165 HR - 195 SB - 81 CS - 652 BB - 642 K - .289 AVG - .355 OBP - .435 SLG - 117 OPS+ - 54.1 oWAR - 19.1 dWAR


    -(Larkin was elected to the HOF in his 3rd year)(Larkin debuted at age 22 and played through his age 40 season for 1 team, 12 All-Star Games, finished top 10 in MVP 2 times (1 win - 1995), 9 silver sluggers, 3 gold gloves (lost out to Ozzie Smith a lot), World Series ring - 1990, ranks 66th in Career WAR Position Players)

    -(Trammell failed to be elected to the HOF on 15 ballots maxing out at 40.9% in his final eligible year)(Trammell debuted at age 19 and played through his age 38 season for 1 team, 6 All-Star Games, finished top 10 in MVP 3 times (2nd once - 1987), 3 silver sluggers (lost out to Cal Ripken a lot), 4 gold gloves, World Series ring - 1984, ranks 62nd in WAR Position Players)

    *Larkin got the huge benefit of not going up against Smith or Ripken in HOF voting as Trammell did and he also didn't play for the putrid Tigers.

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    Marvin Miller should be inducted. If Bowie Kuhn is in the HOF, and he is, it is ridiculous for Miller to not be in.
    Among the former players, I would vote for Alan Trammell, Ted Simmons and Luis Tiant.
    As Kinsm summarized, Trammell and Barry Larkin were too similar in qualifications for one to properly be in the Hall while the other is not.
    I didn't used to support Ted Simmons's candidacy, because of his supposed defensive shortcomings, but more recent research has shown he was a decent fielder. He was a terrific hitting catcher. No, he wasn't Johnny Bench, but he was better than a host of other catchers in the HOF.
    Luis Tiant? His direct contemporaries Catfish Hunter and Jim Bunning are in the HOF. Tiant was clearly better than Hunter and as good as Bunning.
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    Re: 10 Candidates On HOF's Modern Era Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Who did Lou Whitaker make so angry that he's not on the list but Steve freakin' Garvey is?
    LOL 68.1 career fWAR for Whitaker and only 37.8 career fWAR for Garvey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edd Roush View Post
    LOL 68.1 career fWAR for Whitaker and only 37.8 career fWAR for Garvey.
    you have to add 10 fWAR for every kid Garvey had

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    Put Whitaker and Trammell in the HOF already, jeez.
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    Tommy John's surgeon should be inducted
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    Ted Simmons would be my pick. He put up some impressive batting numbers as a catcher for the Cardinals then went on the the Brewers. https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...immote01.shtml

    As a kid, I always thought he had a cool batting stance.
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    Re: 10 Candidates On HOF's Modern Era Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Put Whitaker and Trammell in the HOF already, jeez.
    They’re not famous enough.

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    Re: 10 Candidates On HOF's Modern Era Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by BCubb2003 View Post
    They’re not famous enough.
    But they would be if they were in the HOF.
    Wait until the year after next year.

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    Re: 10 Candidates On HOF's Modern Era Ballot

    I think the HOF should only be for players.. No managers, executives, announcers, owners, etc.. So I would never vote for a non-player.

    Trammel, yes.

    Simmons is more borderline, but he was a consistent all star that 4-6 dominant offensive seasons as a catcher (depending on how you define dominant). Plus, he has the longevity that has helped a lot of other borderline guys get in.. So yes to Simmons too.

    Jack Morris has the "Fame". He will probably get voted in, but IMO, he just misses.
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    Re: 10 Candidates On HOF's Modern Era Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    Marvin Miller should be inducted. If Bowie Kuhn is in the HOF, and he is, it is ridiculous.
    You could have ended the sentence there.

    fwiw, Tiant's been the biggest omission for me for a while, but there are several here I'd like to see in, and I think Trammell's particularly worthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Who did Lou Whitaker make so angry that he's not on the list but Steve freakin' Garvey is?
    Well it could be he never did a Jockey ad:

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    Re: 10 Candidates On HOF's Modern Era Ballot

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    you have to add 10 fWAR for every kid Garvey had
    All of them or just the illegitimate ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDREAD View Post
    I think the HOF should only be for players.. No managers, executives, announcers, owners, etc.. So I would never vote for a non-player.

    Trammel, yes.

    Simmons is more borderline, but he was a consistent all star that 4-6 dominant offensive seasons as a catcher (depending on how you define dominant). Plus, he has the longevity that has helped a lot of other borderline guys get in.. So yes to Simmons too.

    Jack Morris has the "Fame". He will probably get voted in, but IMO, he just misses.
    Disagree. Guys like Marvin Miller were instrumental in transforming the game. Her very much belongs in there.
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