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    Price has the rotation as Disco, Bailey, likely Finnegan, and then it's open to a bunch of others. I'd put Cashner above the "others." I also would bet that at least one of the top three won't be healthy this whole season.

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    So you'd have him over Luis Castillo and Sal Romano/Robert Stephenson.

    You're fired.

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    You love projections.

    I basically ignore them.
    Because they are a lot more accurate than blind guesses based on uncorrelated assumptions.

    Why not just sign Ubaldo who will surely be a lot cheaper and just as bad?

    I'll take the over 5.00 ERA for Cashner in 2018 all day long.
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    Re: 2017-2018 MLB Offseason News

    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    So you'd have him over Luis Castillo and Sal Romano/Robert Stephenson.

    You're fired.
    Oops. Left out Castillo.

    But yeah, he's ahead of Stephenson and Romano

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    Because they are a lot more accurate than blind guesses based on uncorrelated assumptions.

    Why not just sign Ubaldo who will surely be a lot cheaper and just as bad?

    I'll take the over 5.00 ERA for Cashner in 2018 all day long.
    Not really. Check out their history. Especially for pitchers.
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    Let's say the Reds hit the lottery this spring.

    Disco, Bailey and Finnegan are healthy and at top form.
    Castillo continues his development
    Romano, Stephenson, Garrett, Mahle, all develop into decent starters.

    If the Reds had signed Cashner, they have would have a solid reliever signed at market value, that they could trade for prospects very easily.
    The team Matheny described several times this weekend as the team he thinks the Cardinals could be, is actually the team the Reds have become.

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    Oops. Left out Castillo.

    But yeah, he's ahead of Stephenson and Romano
    You're still fired for forgetting Castillo.

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    Re: 2017-2018 MLB Offseason News

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Price has the rotation as Disco, Bailey, likely Finnegan, and then it's open to a bunch of others. I'd put Cashner above the "others." I also would bet that at least one of the top three won't be healthy this whole season.

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    You are literally wrong. Price has said, REPEATEDLY, that Bailey, Castillo and Disco are the top 3 and are in the rotation, and just said that Finnegan likely is. That leaves one spot. You are an insane person if you would take Cashner over Castillo in any timeline/reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by membengal View Post
    You are literally wrong. Price has said, REPEATEDLY, that Bailey, Castillo and Disco are the top 3 and are in the rotation, and just said that Finnegan likely is. That leaves one spot. You are an insane person if you would take Cashner over Castillo in any timeline/reality.
    Yeah, I'm just absent minded, not insane. Thanks for the correction.
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    Not really. Check out their history. Especially for pitchers.
    Please provide this history and I will gladly check it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raisor View Post
    You're still fired for forgetting Castillo.
    There are like a million reasons to fire me, if I were manager of the Reds, before you got to me forgetting Castillo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    If the Reds had signed Cashner, they have would have a solid reliever signed at market value, that they could trade for prospects very easily.
    Or they have another $16M spent over 2 seasons of a bad performing pitcher that no team wants. And instead of cutting the guy with a 5.50 ERA they hang onto him because well, money.

    Rule of thumb. If the Orioles are doing it then you don't want to be doing it.
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    Re: 2017-2018 MLB Offseason News

    Personally, I'm irrationally exuberant when it comes to Tyler Mahle, so I want one of those last two spots held for him (at least after around May 1).

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    Not really. Check out their history. Especially for pitchers.
    History lesson #1:

    10 biggest FIP outperformers in 2016 (2016 ERA/2016 FIP/ 2017 ERA):
    Mike Montgomery (2.52/3.79/3.38)
    Brandon Finnegan (3.98/5.19/incomplete)
    Dan Straily (3.76/4.88/4.26)
    Colby Lewis (3.71/4.81/didn't pitch)
    Kyle Hendricks (2.13/3.2/3.03)
    Ian Kennedy (3.68/4.67/5.38)
    Jon Lester (2.44/3.41/4.33)
    Tanner Roark (2.83/3.79/4.67)
    Junior Guerra (2.81/3.71/5.12)
    Felix Hernandez (3.82/4.63/4.36)

    8 out of 8 had a worse ERA in 2017. 7 out of 8 had an ERA in 2017 that was closer to their 2016 FIP than their 2016 ERA.
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    Re: 2017-2018 MLB Offseason News

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey012 View Post
    History lesson #1:

    10 biggest FIP outperformers in 2016 (2016 ERA/2016 FIP/ 2017 ERA):
    Mike Montgomery (2.52/3.79/3.38)
    Brandon Finnegan (3.98/5.19/incomplete)
    Dan Straily (3.76/4.88/4.26)
    Colby Lewis (3.71/4.81/didn't pitch)
    Kyle Hendricks (2.13/3.2/3.03)
    Ian Kennedy (3.68/4.67/5.38)
    Jon Lester (2.44/3.41/4.33)
    Tanner Roark (2.83/3.79/4.67)
    Junior Guerra (2.81/3.71/5.12)
    Felix Hernandez (3.82/4.63/4.36)

    8 out of 8 had a worse ERA in 2017. 7 out of 8 had an ERA in 2017 that was closer to their 2016 FIP than their 2016 ERA.
    I bet I can find 10 guys who out performed their FIP the next season as well. Andrew Cashner last year was one of them. (4.84 FIP/3.40 ERA)

    Anyway, I'm not referring to FIP, I'm referring to projections. Cashner's FIP is close to a run less than his projections.
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