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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinsm View Post
    My biggest fear as a Reds fan, an entire generation of kids in this city being turned off of baseball and become soccer fans. In 20 years (70's fans are dead) this is a soccer city, baseball and football (if still here) are after thoughts.
    Soccer? Is soccer big in Cincy?
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    Re: Bob Castellini Is Still A Believer

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinsm View Post
    My biggest fear as a Reds fan, an entire generation of kids in this city being turned off of baseball and become soccer fans. In 20 years (70's fans are dead) this is a soccer city, baseball and football (if still here) are after thoughts.
    Soccer becoming the number one sport nationwide is inevitable. However, yes, it could happen sooner in Cincinnati than the rest of the country.
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    Re: Bob Castellini Is Still A Believer

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    Soccer? Is soccer big in Cincy?
    Not yet, but it's quickly growing. And FC is getting a stadium and likely a promotion to major league. All the while the Reds are rebuilding a rebuild.

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    Re: Bob Castellini Is Still A Believer

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Yep they are destined for another losing season. Maybe 2019 will bring some hope.

    Lets not confuse the MLS with the EPL. Seriously, the level of competition is quite different. I don't deny that soccer is growing in this country, I just think that if/when the Reds get good, there won't be a comparison between going to a Reds game of a FCC game. In a terrible season last year the Reds drew on average 22,700 fans per game. If a MLS FCC could get even close to that they would be ecstatic.
    Last season FC Cincinnati average 21,199 per game - https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2017-usl-attendance/. And that's just for league games. It was drawing 30,000+ plus for U.S. Open Cup games.
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    Re: Bob Castellini Is Still A Believer

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I’m not confusing the two. I do think younger fans are becoming more interested in soccer than baseball and football, though. EPL is on tv all the time.
    Don't forget the Champions League. And along those lines - Marcelo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Not saying they are going to be this bad forever, but they have 4 winning seasons since 2000. Going to go out on a limb and assume they finish under .500 this year - 4 out of 18 is quite bad.

    MLS certainly isnít the best, but EPL is becoming more and more popular here. I have friends in their mid 30s who used to be huge baseball fans, and we used to talk Reds Baseball all the time. Now they all talk about Tottenham and when I bring up the Reds they just kind of nod and go back to talking EPL soccer. Anecdotal, of course, but I donít think itís that abnormal.
    I played through high school and have been a fan of English soccer since the days of Eric Cantona, watching games through pirate satellite feeds from those massive backyard dishes. Iíve heard all my life that soccer is the next big thing that sweeps America, but it never does. I agree that the EPL, La Liga, and even Bundesliga and Series A are growing in popularity as watching games and following leagues has become much easier, but soccer is just not ingrained in American culture. Itís why the rare American player who is truly any good doesnít stay here. Itís always going to be niche.

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    Re: Bob Castellini Is Still A Believer

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy Jones View Post
    I played through high school and have been a fan of English soccer since the days of Eric Cantona, watching games through pirate satellite feeds from those massive backyard dishes. I’ve heard all my life that soccer is the next big thing that sweeps America, but it never does. I agree that the EPL, La Liga, and even Bundesliga and Series A are growing in popularity as watching games and following leagues has become much easier, but soccer is just not ingrained in American culture. It’s why the rare American player who is truly any good doesn’t stay here. It’s always going to be niche.
    Short term, yes it’s more niche, but long term I think it will continue to grow in popularity. Especially with football’s inevitable demise.
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    Re: Bob Castellini Is Still A Believer

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Last season FC Cincinnati average 21,199 per game - https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2017-usl-attendance/. And that's just for league games. It was drawing 30,000+ plus for U.S. Open Cup games.
    Oh, and FCC is averaging 25,086 so far this season - https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2018-usl-attendance/. The Reds are averaging 18.959. Small sample sizes, but it wouldn't be surprising to see FCC significantly out-draw the Reds this year.
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    Re: Bob Castellini Is Still A Believer

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Short term, yes it’s more niche, but long term I think it will continue to grow in popularity. Especially with football’s inevitable demise.
    Football’s demise, yes. That would certainly propel soccer up a few notches on the American sports ladder, but overtaking baseball? Not a chance. Not with the quality of MLS, which is what we’re really talking about. I’m sure that baseball was dead a couple years ago in Houston too. In fact, it was. A 0.0 cable rating for games probably spawned these same type of projections from posters on Astroszone, but things obviously changed.

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    Re: Bob Castellini Is Still A Believer

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy Jones View Post
    Football’s demise, yes. That would certainly propel soccer up a few notches on the American sports ladder, but overtaking baseball? Not a chance. Not with the quality of MLS, which is what we’re really talking about. I’m sure that baseball was dead a couple years ago in Houston too. In fact, it was. A 0.0 cable rating for games probably spawned these same type of projections from posters on Astroszone, but things obviously changed.
    The difference is Houston had a ton of cash to spend.

    And, again, we aren’t just talking MLS. EPL and Champions League are global phenomenons.
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    Re: Bob Castellini Is Still A Believer

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    The difference is Houston had a ton of cash to spend.

    And, again, we aren’t just talking MLS. EPL and Champions League are global phenomenons.
    They are, but that has nothing to do with an MLS franchise. People who are true soccer fans know what an MLS franchise is, which is the soccer equivalent of the Dayton Dragons. The other MLS attendees are mostly just people wanting a cheap and fun family night. Nothing wrong with that of course, but that novelty always wears off. Unless it’s the best or among the best, it won’t sustain.

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    Re: Bob Castellini Is Still A Believer

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy Jones View Post
    I played through high school and have been a fan of English soccer since the days of Eric Cantona, watching games through pirate satellite feeds from those massive backyard dishes. I’ve heard all my life that soccer is the next big thing that sweeps America, but it never does. I agree that the EPL, La Liga, and even Bundesliga and Series A are growing in popularity as watching games and following leagues has become much easier, but soccer is just not ingrained in American culture. It’s why the rare American player who is truly any good doesn’t stay here. It’s always going to be niche.
    It's not a niche anymore. MLS averages 20,000+ per game. Teams are sprouting up in all kinds of secondary markets too. It's no La Liga/Bundesliga/EPL, but it's a solid league. As a sport, soccer is more ingrained with millennials than baseball is. In fact, according to Gallup, more Gen Xers also report soccer as their favorite viewing sport than baseball.
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    Re: Bob Castellini Is Still A Believer

    Quote Originally Posted by Tracy Jones View Post
    They are, but that has nothing to do with an MLS franchise. People who are true soccer fans know what an MLS franchise is, which is the soccer equivalent of the Dayton Dragons. The other MLS attendees are mostly just people wanting a cheap and fun family night. Nothing wrong with that of course, but that novelty always wears off. Unless it’s the best or among the best, it won’t sustain.
    A) True soccer fans recognize MLS is a far sight better than A ball. I can spend an hour telling you the problems with MLS, but the average MLS team would be mid-table in Portugal or the Netherlands.

    B) It's already sustained into its 23rd season and it growing rapidly.

    C) Asensio!
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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    It's not a niche anymore. MLS averages 20,000+ per game. Teams are sprouting up in all kinds of secondary markets too. It's no La Liga/Bundesliga/EPL, but it's a solid league. As a sport, soccer is more ingrained with millennials than baseball is. In fact, according to Gallup, more Gen Xers also report soccer as their favorite viewing sport than baseball.
    A) You should know after 2016 that polls are useless. Even if you give into the premise that it’s accurate, it’s still only a snapshot in a particular time.

    B) EPL ratings last year were low, in fact the lowest since NBC started broadcasting it. This year’s Manchester derby set record ratings, but the big matches between the top 6 in England always do well. So does El Classico. But nobody cares about Watford vs Southampton. Most of these “fans” probably don’t even know who those clubs are.

    I love that it’s growing. Like I said, I’ve been an English soccer fan for over 25 years now. But also like I said, I’ve heard all of this before. In fact I heard it after the 94 World Cup. And the last World Cup. And when I was a kid playing. I’ll believe it when I see it

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    Re: Bob Castellini Is Still A Believer

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    A) True soccer fans recognize MLS is a far sight better than A ball. I can spend an hour telling you the problems with MLS, but the average MLS team would be mid-table in Portugal or the Netherlands.

    B) It's already sustained into its 23rd season and it growing rapidly.

    C) Asensio!
    LOL no. It’s not. It’s where old Euro stars go to die and get one last payday. MLS is a joke to European fans. Yeah it’s been around for 23 years. Major TV contract? Homegrown stars that have become household names? Pipeline of up and coming players that can challenge Europe for supremacy in the coming years? No, no, and no. MLS is doing fine being what it is, but let’s not try to sell it as something that it definitely is not, which is a credible, worldwide competitive league.

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