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The end for this round.
1. Mario Soto
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4. Kurt Stillwell
5. Frank Williams
Mario carrying his own luggage??? Doesn't the kangaroo court give fines for that?
Awesome pictures. Thanks for sharing.
How, then, are those people of the future—who are taking steroids every day—going to look back on baseball players who used steroids? They're going to look back on them as pioneers. They're going to look back at it and say "So what?" - Bill James, Cooperstown and the 'Roids
TeamDunn, I am pulling this thread back, 1) because of the great pics, and 2) because I had occasion on another matter to go back and peruse Mr. Soto's stats from his heydey with the Reds.
And they really are remarkable. More so because of the era we are now in.
I was born in 1970, and Soto was easily my favorite Red during the bad years. But time has dimmed my memory as to just how good he was. His overall stats from baseballreference.com:
The years that are eye-popping:
1980: 190 innings, 12 starts, 3 complete games, 182 Ks, 3.07 ERA 1.10 WHIP
1981: 175 innings, 25 starts, 10 complete games, 151 Ks, 3.29 ERA 1.16 WHIP
1982: 257 innings, 34 starts, 13 complete games, 274 Ks, 2.79 ERA 1.06 WHIP
1983: 274 innings, 34 starts, 18 complete games, 242 Ks, 2.70 ERA 1.10 WHIP
1984: 237 innings, 33 starts, 13 complete games, 185 Ks, 3.53 ERA 1.12 WHIP
1985: 256 innings, 36 starts, 9 complete games, 214 Ks, 3.58 ERA 1.16 WHIP
It fell off after that, rather precipitously. I went back and rechecked all of this because of Dowd's finding that Rose never bet on Soto. That would have been the 1986 or 1987 Soto when he had lost it, but surely not before that, because before that, Soto turned in a stretch of pitching nearly unrivaled in this organization's history for power and effectiveness.
I was 16 when he lost it, and don't remember what it was that ended him, I would presume some arm issues. The workload was insane, compared to what we are used to today, and his 1980 is bizarre. That's not a lot of starts to amass those innings and Ks. A lot of long relief outings and the like,I would guess. If Redszone had been around then, we would likely have started a nuclear reaction calling for him to start long before he did that year.
An amazing pitcher.
Sorry for the detour, but this seemed like a decent place to look back at his career...
Last edited by membengal; 03-16-2007 at 10:53 AM.
Wow, these are awesome. Mario Soto was a groovy-looking dude. Thanks for bumping this.
There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.
Did he pitch in relief? Because 190 innings divided by 12 starts isn't anywhere close to being realisic.1980: 190 innings, 12 starts, 3 complete games, 182 Ks, 3.07 ERA 1.10 WHIP
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If he had played on decent Reds teams during his time it would have been interesting to see if he would have had a HOF career.
He was my favorite player in Jr High and High School.
Glad you enjoyed the pics! I was at the park when he was inducted into the Reds HOF. I need to get those pics scanned.
lol... I wasn't in the guild at the time, but I always love looking at old screenshots. Thanks for the stroll down memory lane.