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    Re: Rob Manfred Is Not In Favor Of The DH For The Nationl Leauge

    I would be all for flipping the order of the 2nd round as a reward for the non-tankers. But not the 1st.

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    Re: Rob Manfred Is Not In Favor Of The DH For The Nationl Leauge

    Quote Originally Posted by George Anderson View Post
    Serious question: why dont we just leave the game alone but just change it to 7 innings if its all about speeding up the game?
    There's a certain truth to that, though mid-inning pitching changes still suck the life out games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OGB View Post
    I simply can't wrap my head around the idea of rewarding the best teams with high draft picks unless you're delusional or a fan of a huge market team.

    I get that you must be thinking, "This will make them spend more every year trying to compete."

    Well even if every team increased their payroll every single off-season, teams will still come in last.

    What if the Reds spent an extra $60 million in the off-season but then had the worst injury luck in baseball and lost 100 games?
    What if that draft had a generational talent and instead of the 100 loss Reds getting him, the 100 win Yankees did?
    That idea is just asinine to me.
    I don't get why a team that loses 100 games deserves anything. It should be happy its allowed to continue its existence.

    Anything they do to change the current system of rewarding abject futility is fine by me. Personally, I'd make the entire 1st round a lottery. Yet if they invert the draft order where best non-playoff team picks 1st and the worst team picks 20th, I'm cool with that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I don't get why a team that loses 100 games deserves anything. It should be happy its allowed to continue its existence.
    Especially one that makes a habit out of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Anything they do to change the current system of rewarding abject futility is fine by me. Personally, I'd make the entire 1st round a lottery. Yet if they invert the draft order where best non-playoff team picks 1st and the worst team picks 20th, I'm cool with that too.
    I like inverting the order of the non-playoff teams. It means teams will be less inclined to go into the season with a stripped down roster, which should create a demand for mid-level veteran free agents. I think that has the side benefit of decreasing the amount of players available at the trade deadline and possibly even increasing the demand for them. A GM has the option of pushing for wins at the end of the season to improve draft position or trading assets for what should be a better return. I actually think that proposal is a win all the way around.
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    Re: Rob Manfred Is Not In Favor Of The DH For The Nationl Leauge

    How about a compromise where pitchers have to hit while they're still in the game as a starter. Once the starter is pulled anyone can then be the DH.. Yeah, that would never fly.. To unfair to starters and the poor relievers would never get an AB.. I always thought everyone wanted to at least attempt to hit.. I guess that only counts in sandlot..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamell View Post
    How about a compromise where pitchers have to hit while they're still in the game as a starter. Once the starter is pulled anyone can then be the DH.. Yeah, that would never fly.. To unfair to starters and the poor relievers would never get an AB.. I always thought everyone wanted to at least attempt to hit.. I guess that only counts in sandlot..
    You'd just get a bunch of one inning openers who'd be removed from the game before the pitchers spot would come to bat anyway.
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    Re: Rob Manfred Is Not In Favor Of The DH For The Nationl Leauge

    Too many administrators not enough managers...

    These insane rules changes aren't going to stop the bleeding, in fact a DH in the NL will kill the senior circuit.
    None of these pitching changes make any damn sense.
    I keep hearing about pace of play, yet I continue to watch three and a half marathon American League games on television every day on the big market cable networks.
    Especially the $500,000,000 Yankees vs Red Sox seemingly 5 days a week.
    The payroll disparity and guaranteed contracts to crap players is what's killing the game. Never thought watching anyone make in excess of a million dollars in any profession would be an insult.
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    Re: Rob Manfred Is Not In Favor Of The DH For The Nationl Leauge

    Quote Originally Posted by Randymack View Post
    Too many administrators not enough managers...

    These insane rules changes aren't going to stop the bleeding, in fact a DH in the NL will kill the senior circuit.
    Well, I think if the DH goes, it'll kill the separate league identities. Then it'll be, more or less, like the NFC and AFC in the NFL or the Eastern and Western conferences in the NBA. Once that goes, all that's left are award winners.
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    Re: Rob Manfred Is Not In Favor Of The DH For The Nationl Leauge

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    I know a lot of people think Keith Olbermann is a blowhard but he makes a good point.
    No, if our DH is Jesse Winker his argument is moot

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    Re: Rob Manfred Is Not In Favor Of The DH For The Nationl Leauge

    I don’t get expanding the position player bench while having the DH. The DH pretty well precludes pinch hitting which is one of the main reasons for a deeper bench. Seems like they would sit a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker View Post
    I don’t get expanding the position player bench while having the DH. The DH pretty well precludes pinch hitting which is one of the main reasons for a deeper bench. Seems like they would sit a lot.
    Agreed. Like I said, if you had a DH and the 3 batter limit, you could have a 22-23 man roster with inactives for a particular game. In reality you'd have 25-26 guys on the roster traveling with the team, earning service time, salary and meal money but they wouldn't be active for certain games. I would guess the owners wouldn't be too keen with a de facto roster increase but callups from the minors would decrease potentially saving money in travel expenses. Teams could also use that to avoid putting players on the DL with short term injuries.
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    Re: Rob Manfred Is Not In Favor Of The DH For The Nationl Leauge

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    At least if the DH is implemented in the NL all pitchers in baseball will be compared on an even playing field. Who would you rather face?! David Ortiz or me?!!? Lol
    3:45am 7 Feb 2019

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    Was hoping the NL was still an option during free agency too. Lol AL is a different beast. Definitely will make it an even playing field for pitchers. I do want to hit at some point in my career though as long as its not against you. Lol ������*♂️
    4:57pm 7 Feb 2019

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    You misunderstand... Ive always wanted to pitch in the NL at some point and like the game. Just think the leagues are incomparable when it comes to pitching statistics. Also, slightly pissed theyre considering doing it now when I might be a FA next year. 😂😂 #badtiming
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    You're a professional baseball player. If I remember correctly baseball is hitting and defense. Spend some time in the cage, you have access to the best coaches and facilities. You're professional athletes you have the ability to hit stop making excuses
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    Your honor, I submit my batting statistics for consideration.

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    Re: Rob Manfred Is Not In Favor Of The DH For The Nationl Leauge

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    What if a SP is forced to leave the game with an unfortunate injury?
    Seems this rule would be like dinging his club twice for a circumstance beyond their control, especially if the opposing team is allowed to keep their DH in the lineup.
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    Re: Rob Manfred Is Not In Favor Of The DH For The Nationl Leauge

    It kind of makes sense to wait and use agreeing to add the DH to the NL as a negotiating tactic to get the MLBPA to agree to something else they don't want for the next CBA. Also it doesn't make sense to change a rule that could cause so many teams to want to change the way they built their rosters this far into the offseason. Maybe some NL teams would have gone for good hitters who aren't good fielders who've already been signed or traded for.
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    Re: Rob Manfred Is Not In Favor Of The DH For The Nationl Leauge

    Youll be able to make your suggestions in person. Manfred is the grand marshal for the Opening Day parade.


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