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    Why not trade Barnhart?

    Is my thinking off base here? Don't get me wrong, I love everything Tucker brings to the Reds, but I see everyone talking about the high return the Marlins are likely getting for Realmuto - plus many of the top contending teams need a catcher that does it all.

    Why not trade Barnhart? Wouldn't the result of his trade lift the Reds skills better than holding on to him? Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, RedSox and more would be interested. Do you see a match that makes a great trade?


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    Re: Why not trade Barnhart?

    I love Tucker but I don't see him ever coming close to putting up the offensive numbers that Realmuto does.


    I think some teams would love to have him but I doubt the return would be similar.
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    Re: Why not trade Barnhart?

    Not sure there is much of a market? The free agency catcher class is deep.

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    Re: Why not trade Barnhart?

    I think reds fans way overvalue Tucker.
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    Re: Why not trade Barnhart?

    Yeah, I expect the return would be less than Realmuto, but am I'm thinking that in the Reds' case, he is somewhat replaced by Cervelli plus we have Stephenson in the monors (as well as the Reds' apparent ability to produce catchers). Tucker would be a loss but if he brought in a pitcher of equal value or even better - a number one for Tucker plus... I'm thinking it would be better for the Reds. We can't produce pitching. The Dodgers would bite and I'm wondering who we could get from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I think reds fans way overvalue Tucker.
    top shelf defense and better than average hitting, yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I think reds fans way overvalue Tucker.
    top shelf defense and better than average hitting, yes?

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    Re: Why not trade Barnhart?

    Quote Originally Posted by wally post View Post
    top shelf defense and better than average hitting, yes?
    He is a below average hitter most anyway you slice it.
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    Re: Why not trade Barnhart?

    The free agent catcher list for this off-season:

    Yasmani Grandal (30 years old, 3.6 WAR)
    Wilson Ramos (31, 2.4)
    Kurt Suzuki (35, 2.0) -- Signed 2-year deal with WSH (11/20).
    Robinson Chirinos (35, 1.6)
    Martin Maldonado (32, 0.9)
    Nick Hundley (35, 0.9)
    Matt Wieters (33, 0.9)
    A.J. Ellis (38, 0.8)
    Devin Mesoraco (31, 0.7)
    Jonathan Lucroy (33, 0.6)
    Brian McCann (35, 0.5) -- Signed 1-year deal with ATL (11/26).
    Rene Rivera (35, 0.3)
    Chris Gimenez (36, 0.0)
    Chris Stewart (37, -0.1)
    Jarrod Saltalamacchia (34, -0.2)
    Jose Lobaton (34, -0.3)
    Drew Butera (35, -0.3)
    Jeff Mathis (36, -0.5) -- Signed 2-year deal with TEX (11/19).
    Bobby Wilson (36, -0.5)
    Stephen Vogt (34, N/A) -- Didn't appear in the Majors in 2018.

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    Re: Why not trade Barnhart?

    Quote Originally Posted by wally post View Post
    Yeah, I expect the return would be less than Realmuto, but am I'm thinking that in the Reds' case, he is somewhat replaced by Cervelli plus we have Stephenson in the monors (as well as the Reds' apparent ability to produce catchers). Tucker would be a loss but if he brought in a pitcher of equal value or even better - a number one for Tucker plus... I'm thinking it would be better for the Reds. We can't produce pitching. The Dodgers would bite and I'm wondering who we could get from them.

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    top shelf defense and better than average hitting, yes?

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    top shelf defense and better than average hitting, yes?
    Career 86 OPS+ And had a .699 OPS last year. I’m not saying the guy doesn’t have value, but this is case in point how Reds fans overvalue this guy.
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    Re: Why not trade Barnhart?

    A #1 for Tucker +?... Tucker + Senzel and Trammell maybe.

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    Re: Why not trade Barnhart?

    Why not:

    Tucker is signed and very much affordably cost controlled for the next 4 years. There is no clear replacement at this time. Casali is a nice complement to Tucker but after that? Ty Stephenson is a few years off. If they hope to compete in the next couple of years they would need to bring in someone.

    That said no one is untouchable and the control for 4 years at "low money" add to Barnhart's value.

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    Re: Why not trade Barnhart?

    I suggested this awhile back in one of my "shake things up" posts.

    It makes sense to go with a lesser catcher for awhile if it helps to seriously upgrade pitching.

    But it's way too aggressive for the Reds. They are going to try and make an omelet without scrambling the eggs too much.

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    Re: Why not trade Barnhart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I suggested this awhile back in one of my "shake things up" posts.

    It makes sense to go with a lesser catcher for awhile if it helps to seriously upgrade pitching.

    But it's way too aggressive for the Reds. They are going to try and make an omelet without scrambling the eggs too much.
    What makes you think teams are going to give up much for a 1-2 WAR catcher? We also don't know much about how he grades out on some more advanced items such a framing.
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    Re: Why not trade Barnhart?

    I’d be for it if the return was there. No one is untouchable to me.

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    Re: Why not trade Barnhart?

    Barnhart is a good defensive catcher that performs below average at the plate.

    That doesn't translate into much trade value.

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    Re: Why not trade Barnhart?

    Quote Originally Posted by Griffey012 View Post
    What makes you think teams are going to give up much for a 1-2 WAR catcher? We also don't know much about how he grades out on some more advanced items such a framing.
    I think Barnhart is considered a starting MLB catcher. Better than average defensively. He had a couple of bad stretches offensively last season, but OPS'd .750 the previous season.

    Not saying he brings a major pitcher alone, but any team needing a catcher would assign value to Tucker. He could be part of a package.

    But again, I don't see the Reds trading a starting player with a reasonable LTC. It's just not the Reds' way to make changes so aggressively.
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