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    Re: Report: Harvey signs with Angels

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    The money only has value in terms of how it helps the Reds add players. Money and players are directly tied to each other. That is how every front office thinks.
    Front offices do not think this way at all.

    They can put a dollar value on a player. But it is not the same as salary. They do not conflate the two.

    You are mixing apples and oranges.

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    Re: Report: Harvey signs with Angels

    Bottom 4 in ERA+ 2016-18, 60 starts or more:

    Matt Harvey 76
    Yovani Gallardo 76
    James Shields 80
    Matt Moore 82

    Harvey is tied with Gallardo as the worst SP in baseball over the previous three years.
    What would you say.....ya do here?

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    Re: Report: Harvey signs with Angels

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Bottom 4 in ERA+ 2016-18, 60 starts or more:

    Matt Harvey 76
    Yovani Gallardo 76
    James Shields 80
    Matt Moore 82

    Harvey is tied with Gallardo as the worst SP in baseball over the previous three years.
    But Harvey had injuries. He made a comeback. That comeback is undoubtedly a major basis for this contract.

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    Re: Report: Harvey signs with Angels

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Bottom 4 in ERA+ 2016-18, 60 starts or more:

    Matt Harvey 76
    Yovani Gallardo 76
    James Shields 80
    Matt Moore 82

    Harvey is tied with Gallardo as the worst SP in baseball over the previous three years.
    And they both pitched for us last year.

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    Re: Report: Harvey signs with Angels

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    But Harvey had injuries. He made a comeback. That comeback is undoubtedly the basis for this contract.
    He made a comeback where he wasn’t really effective?
    What would you say.....ya do here?

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    Re: Report: Harvey signs with Angels

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Pitching bWAR 2016-2018

    Harvey: 0.3
    Roark: 9.8

    They are like basically the same pitcher, folks.
    Pitching fWAR 2018

    Harvey: 1.5
    Roark: 1.9

    They are like basically the same pitcher, folks.

    Anyone who follows baseball knows that including Harvey's 2016 and 2017, when he was injured and recovering from his injury, to be grossly disingenuous.
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    Re: Report: Harvey signs with Angels

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    He made a comeback where he wasn’t really effective?
    He was very effective for some period of time. During the Reds’ hot streak he was very hot.

    But like many post-injury pitchers he had his ups and downs.

    So the Angels are gambling that he can be at his best for much of 2019.
    Last edited by Kc61; 12-18-2018 at 10:22 PM.

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    Re: Report: Harvey signs with Angels

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Pitching fWAR 2018

    Harvey: 1.5
    Roark: 1.9

    They are like basically the same pitcher, folks.

    Anyone who follows baseball knows that including Harvey's 2016 and 2017, when he was injured and recovering from his injury, to be grossly disingenuous.
    Pitching bWAR 2018

    Harvey: 1.3
    Roark: 3.0

    You choose the strangest hills to die on.
    What would you say.....ya do here?

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    Re: Report: Harvey signs with Angels

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Pitching bWAR 2018

    Harvey: 1.3
    Roark: 3.0

    You choose the strangest hills to die on.
    One hill I will be glad to die on is using fWAR for pitchers over bWAR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    He made a comeback where he wasn’t really effective?
    Yes. He was the 81st most effective starter last year in the majors, according to fWAR.
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    Re: Report: Harvey signs with Angels

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    One hill I will be glad to die on is using fWAR for pitchers over bWAR.

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    Yes. He was the 81st most effective starter last year in the majors, according to fWAR.
    Roark was better in basically every stat in 2018.

    Ya know what, nm, who cares. I’m glad Harvey isn’t a Red and am glad Roark is.
    What would you say.....ya do here?

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    Re: Report: Harvey signs with Angels

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Roark was better in basically every stat in 2018.

    Ya know what, nm, who cares. I’m glad Harvey isn’t a Red and am glad Roark is.
    Roark was better and should be better in 2019. But it’s a lot closer than your cherry picked stats seem to reveal.
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    Re: Report: Harvey signs with Angels

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Roark was better and should be better in 2019. But it’s a lot closer than your cherry picked stats seem to reveal.
    Sure
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    Re: Report: Harvey signs with Angels

    So now that Harvey is an Angel, how long before he follows the great Angel tradition of going on the disabled list?

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    Re: Report: Harvey signs with Angels

    43 comments, and no one has said it...

    He should have been traded!

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    Re: Report: Harvey signs with Angels

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinsm View Post
    43 comments, and no one has said it...

    He should have been traded!
    I figured I didn't need to rub it in.

    But

    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...dn-t-trade-him

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    But the Reds are 52-68 and Harvey is a free agent after this year's World Series, and he can only hope to be that guy again too. Letting him polish his offseason resume at the expense of seeing what you might have in these guys is the height of foolishness. Which is exactly why I expect the Reds will grant your wish and finish out the season with Harvey in the rotation. At which point, assuming he doesn't collapse in the next several weeks (no sure thing), he'll probably then sign with a team like the Giants or Angels and the Reds will have accomplished nothing.
    Turns out letting Billy go for nothing after missing multiple opportunities to trade him was, in fact, the real height of foolishness. But it was silly not to flip Harvey, even if just for a scratch-off. I just never understood convincing yourself this wasn't going to be the most likely outcome.
    “I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”

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