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    2019 Cleveland Browns...We're back !!

    Interesting .... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...mpK4pldBOR3W5Y

    I didn't know the Browns were interviewing Kitchens for the vacant HC job.
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    Interesting .... http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...mpK4pldBOR3W5Y

    I didn't know the Browns were interviewing Kitchens for the vacant HC job.
    They bloody well should.
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    They bloody well should.
    Oh yeah. But I want this guy running the offense. And while there are some head coaches who do take on the dual responsibility of head coach/coordinator (Shanahan, McVay), you're really spreading yourself thin and asking a lot of yourself. Would Kitchens hire an offensive coordinator? Or could it end up being like with the Saints - Payton is the head coach and Carmichael the offensive coordinator. But on game day the offense is Payton's baby, he calls the plays.

    It's going to be interesting to see not only who Dorsey will pick, but how fast he will act, because of the slew of firings and teams hunting for head coaches (LOL).
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    Oh yeah. But I want this guy running the offense. And while there are some head coaches who do take on the dual responsibility of head coach/coordinator (Shanahan, McVay), you're really spreading yourself thin and asking a lot of yourself. Would Kitchens hire an offensive coordinator? Or could it end up being like with the Saints - Payton is the head coach and Carmichael the offensive coordinator. But on game day the offense is Payton's baby, he calls the plays.

    It's going to be interesting to see not only who Dorsey will pick, but how fast he will act, because of the slew of firings and teams hunting for head coaches (LOL).
    Well, he might bolt if he's not picked for the head gig in CLE. It appears that they have something special going on there but if any team can mess up a good thing it's the Browns. If they pick another guy he may want to bring in his own OC. Maybe Baker doesn't react well to the new coaches. NFL history is full of teams who appear that they have made the jump and then all of a sudden, they are back to Square One. Look no further than the Bengals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Well, he might bolt if he's not picked for the head gig in CLE. It appears that they have something special going on there but if any team can mess up a good thing it's the Browns. If they pick another guy he may want to bring in his own OC. Maybe Baker doesn't react well to the new coaches. NFL history is full of teams who appear that they have made the jump and then all of a sudden, they are back to Square One. Look no further than the Bengals.
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    All I'm gonna say is "In Dorsey We Trust". What have we got to lose? Everything you state (above) is possible. It all comes down to how bad Dorsey wants to keep Kitchens. I'm sure what you mention is a part of Dorsey's process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Well, he might bolt if he's not picked for the head gig in CLE. It appears that they have something special going on there but if any team can mess up a good thing it's the Browns. If they pick another guy he may want to bring in his own OC. Maybe Baker doesn't react well to the new coaches. NFL history is full of teams who appear that they have made the jump and then all of a sudden, they are back to Square One. Look no further than the Bengals.
    This is the Dorsey version of the Browns, so far it has not resembled the previous regimes.

    I'm not sure I'd want Kitchens as the next head coach of the Browns because he seems a bit to friendly with Mayfield for that role. If Kitchen is content on staying as OC, I'm sure any head coaching hire will be made under that condition. If he's not, I'm sure Dorsey will keep Mayfield's personality and strengths in mind with any new OC hire that is made.

    I have faith that no matter happens the Browns will be fine (I can't believe I typed that).

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    Re: 2018 Cleveland Browns...Rising from the Ashes (This time we mean it)

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    I have faith that no matter happens the Browns will be fine (I can't believe I typed that).
    It's like living in a bizarro world, and you're in the middle trying to determine which one is real! LOL

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    If I was Cleveland, I would have granted Arians' wish to unite in Cleveland. Arians' floor is he's a good Head Coach. With talent and a commitment to winning, something he didn't have in Arizona, he could be a great Head Coach. Looks like he's the leading candidate to take over Tampa Bay, a revolving door for Head Coaches.
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    puca, the Head Coach is still going to establish the Attitude of the Club, along with the G.M., so it is important who they hire. What more evidence is needed than what we witnessed in Cleveland this season. That wasn't a dead-cat bounce. That was a change in Attitude throughout the organization. More proof is Marvin Lewis' 16 years in Cincinnati. A lot of people try to give credit to Marvin when he first got here, but it was Carson Palmer, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Rudi Johnson, our Offensive Line and Chad Johnson. Marvin was just along for the ride. Then the addition of Mike Zimmer gave this club a work ethic on Defense that didn't exist with Lewis, though Zimmer had to deal with Marvin's crap like Maualuga, Peko and Michael Johnson, while watching all the 1st Round picks go to the Offense leaving him to make gold out of iron-ore. Zimmer left and everything became all Marvin as far as Attitude and we're left where we are at.

    Just having Marvin gone will breath life into this franchise. But, a quality Head Coach is still needed for the Bengals to turn that breath of Life into a Positive atmosphere. I am hoping Mike Brown really listens to Duke more than anyone else while Hue Jackson and his toxic ways get far away from the organization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    puca, the Head Coach is still going to establish the Attitude of the Club, along with the G.M., so it is important who they hire. What more evidence is needed than what we witnessed in Cleveland this season. That wasn't a dead-cat bounce. That was a change in Attitude throughout the organization. More proof is Marvin Lewis' 16 years in Portland. A lot of people try to give credit to Marvin when he first got here, but it was Carson Palmer, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Rudi Johnson, our Offensive Line and Chad Johnson. Marvin was just along for the ride. Then the addition of Mike Zimmer gave this club a work ethic on Defense that didn't exist with Lewis, though Zimmer had to deal with Marvin's crap like Maualuga, Peko and Michael Johnson, while watching all the 1st Round picks go to the Offense leaving him to make gold out of iron-ore. Zimmer left and everything became all Marvin as far as Attitude and we're left where we are at.

    Just having Marvin gone will breath life into this franchise. But, a quality Head Coach is still needed for the Bengals to turn that breath of Life into a Positive atmosphere. I am hoping Mike Brown really listens to Duke more than anyone else while Hue Jackson and his toxic ways get far away from the organization.
    I'm willing to believe that Dorsey understands as well, and the hire will be 100% his call. He has shown great judgement so far, and clearly has a plan. I don't see him bringing in someone that doesn't fit.

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    Re: 2019 Cleveland Browns...We're back !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    puca, the Head Coach is still going to establish the Attitude of the Club, along with the G.M., so it is important who they hire. What more evidence is needed than what we witnessed in Cleveland this season. That wasn't a dead-cat bounce. That was a change in Attitude throughout the organization. More proof is Marvin Lewis' 16 years in Cincinnati. A lot of people try to give credit to Marvin when he first got here, but it was Carson Palmer, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Rudi Johnson, our Offensive Line and Chad Johnson. Marvin was just along for the ride. Then the addition of Mike Zimmer gave this club a work ethic on Defense that didn't exist with Lewis, though Zimmer had to deal with Marvin's crap like Maualuga, Peko and Michael Johnson, while watching all the 1st Round picks go to the Offense leaving him to make gold out of iron-ore. Zimmer left and everything became all Marvin as far as Attitude and we're left where we are at.

    Just having Marvin gone will breath life into this franchise. But, a quality Head Coach is still needed for the Bengals to turn that breath of Life into a Positive atmosphere. I am hoping Mike Brown really listens to Duke more than anyone else while Hue Jackson and his toxic ways get far away from the organization.
    I bet most would disagree with you about that.
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    I bet most would disagree with you about that.
    They have a right to be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    They have a right to be wrong.
    Everyone can be wrong. I can be wrong and so can you.

    Maybe we should just agree to disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redsfandan View Post
    Everyone can be wrong. I can be wrong and so can you.

    Maybe we should just agree to disagree.
    You can if you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    You can if you want.
    LOL

    We should drop this. This IS a Cleveland Browns thread, after all.

    Kitchens probably won't get the HC job due to very limited experience. My fear is Dorsey hires a guy that looks like a good hire, but, a guy that says he's ok with keeping Kitchens until . . . he isn't.
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