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    Wowza. The Browns should be a sure thing to be really good the next five years. The only thing that can screw it up is the ownership.
    It’s amazing how the Haslams were minority owners of the Steelers and took nothing away from the Rooney’s.

    I don’t know which is worse, Hue telling Dorsey and Haslam to “get the f out of my office” after being fired or searching for #dp and projecting porn for 20 minutes.
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    I've said it before, but the biggest key to the Browns future success is Haslam staying out of the way. I'm not sure he can help himself, and if he can't, Dorsey will not stay long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    In case you wanted an inside look at the dysfunction of the Browns, here it is:

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...istory-collide
    Here's the thing. There ain't that much in that article's "timeline" that most avid Brown's fan didn't already know. It's like trying to hide stuff from a family member (LOL). For years the Browns languished under an owner (Randy Lerner) who was indifferent, had little motivation, made minimal effort, when it came to this team. His Dad died and he got "stuck" with them. Now what do I do? OK. Now we got an owner who is driven, has passion; but that also leads to impatience and other erratic behavior, because he expects results. That's probably how most got to be billionaires (LOL).

    I can say this now, looking back, and since it appears this organization has a solid GM, a good management structure, and the team is turning it around ... Haslam was a minority owner of the Steelers. OK. That doesn't mean he knows the ropes on how to run a football team. So I have no problem with "classifying" those first few years as part of that learning process. All I care about is that it looks like he may have gotten it right. And if that was by accident I don't care there either (LOL).

    Honestly. I could give a damn if the owner of my team is an A-hole. A lot are. All I care about is the product on the field. And there are soap operas going on in every other NFL team too. They're all dysfunctional.

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    I've said it before, but the biggest key to the Browns future success is Haslam staying out of the way. I'm not sure he can help himself, and if he can't, Dorsey will not stay long.
    I agree. The biggest "fear" for me is the working relationship between Haslam and Dorsey. These are both two driven men. But one is methodical, the other emotional. They seem to be on the same page now; but will it last? Not something I can really worry about though. We'll see going forward.

    I thought Ray Framer didn't come off too well in that article though. I defended Jackson, for the most part, while he was here. Just thought he was placed in a Kobayashi Maru (no-win) scenario by this management! (LOL).

    But since his firing, and the more and more that has come out on him (including this article), all I'm going to say is I'm glad he's gone and good riddance! LOL
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    My wife has been getting on me to replace some of my T-shirts. You know how us men are when it comes to T-shirts. We like'em ratty and worn, like our underwear (LOL). That's when they're really broke in and comfortable. But I've bought several in the last month (Reds, Browns, Rock). Here's a couple I just got ...



    This Beatle one is one of my favorites though ....

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    2019 Cleveland Browns...We're back !!

    Kareem Hunt signs with the Browns.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...t-signs-browns
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVRed View Post
    That's a bit of a head scratcher, especially with Chubb as the #1... Guess having two good backs can't hurt tho....works well for NOLA... Two things to keep in mind tho, iirc he is from Cleveland area and he was drafted by Dorsey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuff Nut View Post
    That's a bit of a head scratcher, especially with Chubb as the #1... Guess having two good backs can't hurt tho....works well for NOLA... Two things to keep in mind tho, iirc he is from Cleveland area and he was drafted by Dorsey.
    He's also going to be suspended for a while so it will help to have both.
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    Maybe Goodell will see his being signed by the Browns as punishment enough and call it good.

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    Hunt ending up with the Browns is surprising. I have to think that Dorsey might be thinking that the receivers group has some talent but isn't a strength so why not buy low on a guy that he's familiar with and that can help the Browns have a really good 60% run/40% pass mix in the last 2/3rds of the '19 season with options for trades if everything works out. That makes it easier to focus on other areas in the draft/free agency and not have to take an offensive skill player unless they are a bargain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redsfandan View Post
    Hunt ending up with the Browns is surprising.
    Not really. Dorsey is the guy who drafted him. And Dorsey has signed "troubled" players before... Tyreek Hill and Antonio Callaway. Dorsey said his previous relationship with Hunt during the draft process and in Kansas City was part of the reason he believes the running back “deserves a second chance.”

    Hunt has expressed remorse, apologized to the woman, and is asking for a second chance. He should be given one IMO. But not without certain conditions, such as continuing to receive treatment and counseling, because he has other incidents of violence/assault. I'll give you that second chance, now it's up to you to prove yourself, that you're not that person. If not, U B Gone quick!

    The investigation is still on-going, he's on the Commissioner's Exempt List which means he can't play; but most sources I read say his situation will be wrapped up by the start of free agency (March). He'll probably face a lengthy suspension to begin the '19 season. But the NFL hasn't been very consistent when it comes to dealing with these types of assault issues.
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    I certainly understand the importance within our society for greater awareness when it comes to domestic violence. And yes, it should sicken people, even make them angry. Good. It repulses me, and there is no reason whatsoever for a man to ever lay a hand on a woman. None.

    But since this signing, I've frequented a few other sports forums including the Browns. Again. I can understand people's outrage. And if that person was unrepentant over what they did then he'd deserve people's scorn. But a person who comes forward and acknowledges their guilt, apologizes to the victim, asks for forgiveness, that person, IMO, deserves a second chance. And the purpose of that second chance is to give them the opportunity to prove they are being sincere.

    But I'm listening to a lot of fans who think this guy is a piece of crap, will always be a piece of crap, and should be shot, hung, or thrown off a cliff! That's just a little harsh for my standards in this particular situation (LOL).
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    Pilot Flying J is pulling its extensive advertising and sponsorship agreement with ESPN two years into a four-year deal, after ESPN.com ran a critical story on the inner workings of the Browns. Jimmy Haslam, who owns the Browns also is Pilot Flying J’s CEO.

    https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/...-Flying-J.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    Pilot Flying J is pulling its extensive advertising and sponsorship agreement with ESPN two years into a four-year deal, after ESPN.com ran a critical story on the inner workings of the Browns. Jimmy Haslam, who owns the Browns also is Pilot Flying J’s CEO.

    https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/...-Flying-J.aspx
    The funny thing is ... we Brown fans already knew all that crap on Haslam (LOL). There weren't really any significant revelations in that article.

    If the Browns continue to turn it around I'm sure Haslam will try to make his "presence" known around the NFL. But what's one more megalomaniac owner in the NFL? LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    The funny thing is ... we Brown fans already knew all that crap on Haslam (LOL). There weren't really any significant revelations in that article.

    If the Browns continue to turn it around I'm sure Haslam will try to make his "presence" known around the NFL. But what's one more megalomaniac owner in the NFL? LOL
    The point wasn't that Haslem is shady. The point was that he didn't like what ESPN wrote about the Browns in that article so he pulled his ads from their shows.
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    The point wasn't that Haslem is shady. The point was that he didn't like what ESPN wrote about the Browns in that article so he pulled his ads from their shows.
    Paul Allen fired hundreds of people who said negative things about the Blazers and when he couldn't fire them, he used his influence to have those who could fire them give them the boot.

    Some people with power just can't handle criticism, usually ones who seriously lack social and people skills.
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