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    Re: NBA 2018-19, Part 3..."They have a Cave Troll!"

    And, no. I'm not saying that Okogie is better than Harden or ever will be even close. But, for one night, he was. The Wolves need all the bumps they can get.
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    Re: NBA 2018-19, Part 3..."They have a Cave Troll!"

    Well, Stotts said matter-of-factly that Kanter is the backup 5. Probably what Olshey told Kanter. But, as Stotts has always demonstrated, it's always going to be about matchups, flow and who's earning and isn't earning minutes.
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    Maybe I go a little too much "Michael Scott", sometimes.
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    Re: NBA 2018-19, Part 3..."They have a Cave Troll!"

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    The only move I am willing to give Demps credit for is getting Jrue...

    You know its bad when Stern says you were a lousy GM...but shame on ownership for sticking with the guy who was mediocre at best and lousy most of the time.
    Just so we understand each other, I agree with the bolded part. However, Stern has no place to talk here.....Consider the consummated Paul trade to the Clippers:


    Traded • Chris Paul • 2015 second round pick (#47-Arturas Gudaitis) • 2015 second round pick or $350K cash (Grizzlies option from earlier trade) ($350K cash) to Clippers for • Eric Gordon • Chris Kaman • Al-Farouq Aminu • 2012 first round pick (more favorable of Clippers, Timberwolves picks) (#10-Austin Rivers) on 2011-12-14

    Now, the Paul trade to the Lakers that Stern blocked:

    *Hornets get: Lamar Odom (Who could've been re-routed to Dallas, as Cuban really wanted him at the time and ultimately traded for him), Goran Dragic, Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and New York's 2012 1st-round pick via Houston (Draymond Green, Kris Middleton, Will Barton, Festus Ezili and Terrence Jones were all on the board at the time).

    *Lakers get: Chris Paul

    *Rockets get: Pau Gasol

    No question, the trade in which Stern vetoed to "protect" the Hornets was superior, even without the benefit of hindsight.

    Again, it's a results-based business and the Pels only won one playoff series in Demps' nine seasons. He deserves the axe, likely deserved it three seasons or so ago. But in addition to the aforementioned moves from my previous post and the trade for Holiday (which is at least a push for Philly and New Orleans), he did hire Alvin Gentry, traded for Tyreke Evans. And any sane GM would have traded the package headlined by Hield (who couldn't throw it into the ocean as a Pelican) for Cousins at the time, no matter how well it's worked out for the Kings in retrospect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    If a player is going to jack up 22 '3''s (especially considering that he was 6 for 18 through 45 minutes), he better be hitting at least 40% of them. That's not asking much. So, 9 makes would give him 27 points. It's Harden, so you have to assume the refs will give him 10 Free throws with all the time he has the ball in his hands, so that's 36 points. He only has to come up with three other baskets to get to 42 at that point. Pretty simple.

    Comparing an individual launching 22 three's to a team average where you have Nurkic and Turner shooting about .125 makes no sense.

    Again, the point was that Okogie owned him, which he did. Harden was not scoring against him the first 44 minutes. Points came against Towns and Deng on switches, against Rose, against Gibson, etc. But, when matched against Okogie, Okogie owned that matchup on both ends of the floor. Harden may be the MVP for the season, but he wasn't the better of these two players when they went head-to-head. Okogie is going to be a solid Starter for the Wolves for the next several years. Towns loves the guy. It's too bad they are likely to lose Teague. If they could keep him, they have a great core in those three.
    Just no. He scored 24 points on those 22 shots. If he went 12-22 from two no one would bat an eye.
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    Re: NBA 2018-19, Part 3..."They have a Cave Troll!"

    The Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame announced its 2019 finalists Friday.

    The 13 chosen include four first-time finalists in Marques Johnson, Jack Sikma, Ben Wallace and Paul Westphal and previous finalists Leta Andrews, Hugh Evans, Bill Fitch, Bobby Jones, Sidney Moncrief, Barbara Stevens, Eddie Sutton, Teresa Weatherspoon and Chris Webber.

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    Can't really argue with any of the finalists. But my first reaction: Johnson, Sikma, Jones and Moncrief all should have been inducted years ago.
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    Re: NBA 2018-19, Part 3..."They have a Cave Troll!"

    Closest comparison of today's players to Moncrief are Paul George or Jimmy Butler.
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    Re: NBA 2018-19, Part 3..."They have a Cave Troll!"

    If your being allowed by your team you take 22 3 PT shots... you should be expected to make more than 8. Because these people are the stars on their team

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    Re: NBA 2018-19, Part 3..."They have a Cave Troll!"

    Blah, blah, blah. James Harden sucks. Blah, blah, blah.

    Here are some facts.

    1) Over the course of the last 15 games the Rockets' record was 9-6, which works out to a .600 winning percentage. Such a winning percentage puts a team right at 50 wins. That sucks, right?

    2) Clint Capela missed all 15 games. He was only averaging averaging 17.6 points and 12.6 rebounds so far this season, to go along with a 24.4 PER.

    3) Chris Paul missed roughly half of these games. Paul is averaging 15.6 points and 8.0 assists per game, to go along with a 19.3 PER.

    4) Over the course of those 15 games the Rockets were outrebounded by 8 boards per contest, which is huge. In other words, the opposing squad got 8 more possessions than the Rockets, on average, every single game. Once again, that is huge.

    5) Over the course of those 15 games, with absolutely no rim protection, Houston's opponents waltzed down the lane with impunity, shooting almost 57% from the floor on 2-pointers. League average is about 52%.

    6) Over the course of those 15 games, the team actually had a higher winning percentage (9-6/.600) than they did during the rest of the season (24-18/.571).

    7) Over the course of those 15 games, despite getting 'owned' by the likes of Josh Okogie, James Harden somehow someway averaged 42.7 points per contest.

    Blah, blah, blah. James Harden sucks. Blah, blah, blah.

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    Re: NBA 2018-19, Part 3..."They have a Cave Troll!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    And, no. I'm not saying that Okogie is better than Harden or ever will be even close. But, for one night, he was. The Wolves need all the bumps they can get.
    You are dead on when you call out Okogie for changing the game. You are right in saying that for about a 5 minute stretch he scored, he shut down one of the best in the game and he inspired his teammates to turn a deficit into an an advantage.
    Wolves fans love Okogie’s energy and his athleticism and hope he improves his skills. If he does that he could push Wiggins to the bench, which would help the team.
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    Re: NBA 2018-19, Part 3..."They have a Cave Troll!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    Love how our bench dominated their bench AND their starters. Stotts didn't put a Starter back in (Dame for Turner) until 4:00 left.
    You praise your players quite effusively, but in this case, “domination” is the right description. When the warriors tried to put together one of their trademark 4th quarter surges, the blazers just completely outplayed them, starters and bench both.

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    Re: NBA 2018-19, Part 3..."They have a Cave Troll!"

    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    Blah, blah, blah. James Harden sucks. Blah, blah, blah.

    Here are some facts.

    1) Over the course of the last 15 games the Rockets' record was 9-6, which works out to a .600 winning percentage. Such a winning percentage puts a team right at 50 wins. That sucks, right?

    2) Clint Capela missed all 15 games. He was only averaging averaging 17.6 points and 12.6 rebounds so far this season, to go along with a 24.4 PER.

    3) Chris Paul missed roughly half of these games. Paul is averaging 15.6 points and 8.0 assists per game, to go along with a 19.3 PER.

    4) Over the course of those 15 games the Rockets were outrebounded by 8 boards per contest, which is huge. In other words, the opposing squad got 8 more possessions than the Rockets, on average, every single game. Once again, that is huge.

    5) Over the course of those 15 games, with absolutely no rim protection, Houston's opponents waltzed down the lane with impunity, shooting almost 57% from the floor on 2-pointers. League average is about 52%.

    6) Over the course of those 15 games, the team actually had a higher winning percentage (9-6/.600) than they did during the rest of the season (24-18/.571).

    7) Over the course of those 15 games, despite getting 'owned' by the likes of Josh Okogie, James Harden somehow someway averaged 42.7 points per contest.

    Blah, blah, blah. James Harden sucks. Blah, blah, blah.
    Nobody said James Harden sucks. If you don't want to recognize Okogie's dominance of Harden when they were matched up against each other because of whatever biases you have of your home team, that's fine, but please try to interpret the message for what it was meant to be.




    I know you've read my posts on Harden where I have said several times that only he, Magic Johnson and LeBron James in the last 50 years make their teammates better while having usage-rates above 30. That's off-the-charts praise of Harden.
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    Re: NBA 2018-19, Part 3..."They have a Cave Troll!"

    Btw, the Blazers already own the season-series tie-breaker vs Houston.
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    Re: NBA 2018-19, Part 3..."They have a Cave Troll!"

    I suppose that's why they don't play 5-minutes games in the NBA. Somewhere along the line, league officials got this insane idea etched into their brains that all 48 minutes should count. Crazy, huh?

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    Re: NBA 2018-19, Part 3..."They have a Cave Troll!"

    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    I suppose that's why they don't play 5-minutes games in the NBA. Somewhere along the line, league officials got this insane idea etched into their brains that all 48 minutes should count. Crazy, huh?
    Harden has been able to sustain a high-level of performance for 2-1/2 years now despite spending energy at a level which would have exhausted any other player in the NBA.
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