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    Re: The Sonny Gray Thread

    In Gray's 6 starts, the REDS were shutout twice, scored two runs twice, five once, but Gray left after four, and scored seven once.

    That's a lot more support than Mahle has received. The REDS have scored a total of nine runs in his five starts. Not comparing the two's pitching...Mahle pitched well in 3 of 5 starts. Gray has pitched well in 5 of 6 starts, his last 5.
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    Re: The Sonny Gray Thread

    The trade thread was closed so using this one for the news that Shed Long has been promoted to the majors:

    From Corey a rock Twitter:

    Infielders Shed Long and JP Crawford are LITERALLY shipping up to Boston. Expected to join team today at Fenway Park as Mariners open series there
    He produced this slash line in AAA this season: 276/.350/.504/.854

    Congratulations Shed, welcome to the Show!
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    Re: The Sonny Gray Thread

    Nice, best of luck to him.

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    Re: The Sonny Gray Thread

    i loved the trade at the time and still do. gray has actually been very good for the reds. people who just look at win-loss record will think he's struggling, but overall he's been very good.

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    Re: The Sonny Gray Thread

    Hope Long crushes it.
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    Re: The Sonny Gray Thread

    I believe the trade will go down as one of the smartest in recent Reds history, no matter how Long performs in the bigs. Hoping it’s a win win for everyone.
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    Re: The Sonny Gray Thread

    Shed Long hits his first MLB Home Run tonight. A three run job.

    https://twitter.com/Mariners/status/1139002041383018497
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    Re: The Sonny Gray Thread



    Yankees Sonny is gone, A's Sonny is back
    “I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”

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    Re: The Sonny Gray Thread

    10.3 K/9 is real, real nice.

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    3.40 ERA in 19 starts, Sonny has been a real delight. And they've got him locked up at $10 mill for the next 3 seasons. Very happy that at least one thing has gone very right in 2019.
    “I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”

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    Re: The Sonny Gray Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    3.40 ERA in 19 starts, Sonny has been a real delight. And they've got him locked up at $10 mill for the next 3 seasons. Very happy that at least one thing has gone very right in 2019.
    Absolutely I definitely give the front office a hard time but they deserve 100% credit for doing a great job on that trade and on the extension
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    With any luck at all and I generally don't expect luck to work in our favor Gray will continue his good pitching ways for his entire contract, but that's assuming we actually get some luck between now and 2 1/2 years from now..

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    Re: The Sonny Gray Thread

    https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/20...s-cashman-reds

    Looking at the Statcast data, the Reds have completely revamped Gray’s repertoire, returning him to a pitch mix very similar to what Gray used in his Oakland salad days. Gray’s four-seam fastball, tossed just 26% of the time in 2018 with New York, is now his most common offering, being used nearly a third of the time. His sinker is now a distant third in his pitch mix after being used over 30% of the time in New York, and Gray has replaced those sinkers with hard sliders and changeups, two pitches that the Yankees had shelved almost entirely.

    This change—reverting to his Oakland roots—has led Gray to perhaps his finest season. Through 97.1 innings this season, Gray has the highest strikeout rate of his career (10.36 K/9, 28.1% K%), the second-best strikeout-to-walk ratio of his career (3.11 K/BB; 19.0% K%-BB%), and the second-best ground ball rate of his career (55.1%). As a result, Gray has a 3.42 ERA (76 ERA-), 3.24 FIP (72 FIP-), and 3.44 xFIP (78 xFIP-), all the second-best marks of his career.

    Pitching half his starts in the launching pad that is Great American Ball Park, Gray is twentieth among all qualified MLB starting pitchers in ERA (ahead of Stephen Strasburg, Aaron Nola, Walker Buehler, and Trevor Bauer), twelfth in FIP (ahead of Clayton Kershaw, Chris Sale, Matthew Boyd, and Kyle Hendricks), and thirteenth in xFIP (ahead of Patrick Corbin, Justin Verlander, and Zack Greinke. Overall, Gray is 20th among MLB starting pitchers in fWAR (+2.5, ahead of Verlander and Noah Syndergaard).

    To show just how good Gray has been, here’s another chart:



    This is a chart I love because it’s pretty wild. All three pitchers here are about even in terms of run prevention and missing bats. Gray is the best at inducing grounders, by not a small margin. So who are the other two pitchers? Mystery ace is Jacob deGrom, and yes, Gray has been as good as deGrom at preventing runs this year, and FIP and xFIP suggests that’s real. Sonny Gray has been deGrom with a few more walks and a lot more grounders. The Mystery Millionaire is Nationals southpaw Patrick Corbin, who has pitched well in the first year of a six year, $140 million megadeal. Gray has pitched just as well as Corbin, if not better - and he’s on a three-year, $30 million deal that now looks incredibly team-friendly.
    I refuse to engage with the article's hook that the Reds should trade Sonny though.
    “I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”

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    Re: The Sonny Gray Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/20...s-cashman-reds



    I refuse to engage with the article's hook that the Reds should trade Sonny though.


    100% Agree. Gray and Castillo are top 3 rotation pieces. Both are in their 20s. Both can be a red for another 4-5 years. Even with Grays contract and Castillo Arb - two top rotation pieces wont cost the reds more than 16-18 million combined in any one season, max.

    Can build off this. But will they?

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    Re: The Sonny Gray Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    3.40 ERA in 19 starts, Sonny has been a real delight. And they've got him locked up at $10 mill for the next 3 seasons. Very happy that at least one thing has gone very right in 2019.
    Technically you are correct that the Reds have him locked up for $10 million for the next 3 seasons but one other piece that often gets left out is the fact that the Reds also have an option for a fourth year at $12 million. So sweet.
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