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    Re: "Tom Terrific" battles Dementia

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Come on, you didn't even have to strike them out back them. Lineups were littered with guys who could do zero damage. Jack Billingham could serve up 293 IP of middling stuff and go 19-10, 3.04. We used to make fun of Juan Castro around here, but his biggest problem is he was born 30 years too late. He could have been Darrel Chaney. Now almost every guy in the game can drill a mistake out of the park.

    Four days rest between starts and pitch counts are a reflection of how much harder pitchers have to work just to survive. The arm wasn't meant to throw 90+, and now you have to.
    Hal Lanier came to the dish 1075 times in the 67-68 seasons and made an astonishing 871 outs, thatís an out 76% of the time he batted. Of the 212 hits that he had 16% were extra bases, none were home runs.

    1968-176 MI who had 1500 PA's

    OPS vs League

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    OPS                               DIFF     PLAYER     LEAGUE         PA   
    1    Hal Lanier                  -.197       .505       .701       1518   
    2    Dal Maxvill                 -.171       .546       .717       2398   
    3    Hector Torres               -.167       .526       .693       1597   
    4    Darrel Chaney               -.161       .587       .748       2100   
    5    Tim Foli                    -.160       .584       .744       3998   
    6    Enzo Hernandez              -.160       .550       .710       2612   
    7    Denny Doyle                 -.157       .594       .751       1710   
    8    Paul Popovich               -.147       .586       .733       1729   
    9    Roger Metzger               -.133       .582       .715       4357   
    10   Gary Sutherland             -.127       .591       .718       1665   
    11   Frank Taveras               -.120       .616       .736       2673   
    12   Mike Tyson                  -.120       .614       .734       2527   
    13   Marty Perez                 -.118       .622       .740       3013   
    14   Larry Bowa                  -.116       .621       .737       5766   
    15   Don Kessinger               -.109       .647       .756       6237   
    16   Bud Harrelson               -.109       .610       .719       4455   
    17   Tommy Helms                 -.105       .628       .733       3998   
    18   Bill Mazeroski              -.102       .603       .705       1501   
    19   Manny Trillo                -.098       .649       .747       2442   
    20   Ivan DeJesus                -.093       .678       .771       1556   
    21   Derrel Thomas               -.093       .635       .728       2514   
    22   Glenn Beckert               -.089       .675       .764       3573   
    23   Ted Sizemore                -.077       .647       .724       5158   
    24   Maury Wills                 -.076       .638       .714       2074   
    25   Gene Alley                  -.070       .637       .708       2264   
    26   Julian Javier               -.070       .653       .723       1920   
    27   Tito Fuentes                -.067       .653       .720       4127   
    28   Ken Boswell                 -.067       .652       .719       2513   
    29   Bill Russell                -.058       .655       .713       4208   
    30   Felix Millan                -.051       .667       .718       6088   
    31   Chris Speier                -.047       .684       .731       4849   
    32   Dave Concepcion             -.040       .685       .725       4529   
    33   Rennie Stennett             -.036       .683       .719       3945   
    34   Dave Cash                   -.021       .699       .719       5417   
    35   Garry Templeton             -.008       .724       .731       1544   
    36   Ron Hunt                     .004       .717       .713       3344   
    37   Davey Lopes                  .017       .731       .714       3748   
    38   Denis Menke                  .051       .758       .707       1943   
    39   Joe Morgan                   .137       .856       .718       6466

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    Re: "Tom Terrific" battles Dementia

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Hal Lanier came to the dish 1075 times in the 67-68 seasons and made an astonishing 871 outs, that’s an out 76% of the time he batted. Of the 212 hits that he had 16% were extra bases, none were home runs.

    1968-176 MI who had 1500 PA's

    OPS vs League

    Code:
    OPS                               DIFF     PLAYER     LEAGUE         PA   
    1    Hal Lanier                  -.197       .505       .701       1518   
    2    Dal Maxvill                 -.171       .546       .717       2398   
    3    Hector Torres               -.167       .526       .693       1597   
    4    Darrel Chaney               -.161       .587       .748       2100   
    5    Tim Foli                    -.160       .584       .744       3998   
    6    Enzo Hernandez              -.160       .550       .710       2612   
    7    Denny Doyle                 -.157       .594       .751       1710   
    8    Paul Popovich               -.147       .586       .733       1729   
    9    Roger Metzger               -.133       .582       .715       4357   
    10   Gary Sutherland             -.127       .591       .718       1665   
    11   Frank Taveras               -.120       .616       .736       2673   
    12   Mike Tyson                  -.120       .614       .734       2527   
    13   Marty Perez                 -.118       .622       .740       3013   
    14   Larry Bowa                  -.116       .621       .737       5766   
    15   Don Kessinger               -.109       .647       .756       6237   
    16   Bud Harrelson               -.109       .610       .719       4455   
    17   Tommy Helms                 -.105       .628       .733       3998   
    18   Bill Mazeroski              -.102       .603       .705       1501   
    19   Manny Trillo                -.098       .649       .747       2442   
    20   Ivan DeJesus                -.093       .678       .771       1556   
    21   Derrel Thomas               -.093       .635       .728       2514   
    22   Glenn Beckert               -.089       .675       .764       3573   
    23   Ted Sizemore                -.077       .647       .724       5158   
    24   Maury Wills                 -.076       .638       .714       2074   
    25   Gene Alley                  -.070       .637       .708       2264   
    26   Julian Javier               -.070       .653       .723       1920   
    27   Tito Fuentes                -.067       .653       .720       4127   
    28   Ken Boswell                 -.067       .652       .719       2513   
    29   Bill Russell                -.058       .655       .713       4208   
    30   Felix Millan                -.051       .667       .718       6088   
    31   Chris Speier                -.047       .684       .731       4849   
    32   Dave Concepcion             -.040       .685       .725       4529   
    33   Rennie Stennett             -.036       .683       .719       3945   
    34   Dave Cash                   -.021       .699       .719       5417   
    35   Garry Templeton             -.008       .724       .731       1544   
    36   Ron Hunt                     .004       .717       .713       3344   
    37   Davey Lopes                  .017       .731       .714       3748   
    38   Denis Menke                  .051       .758       .707       1943   
    39   Joe Morgan                   .137       .856       .718       6466
    1. Joe Morgan was a god.

    2. Your years of choice mean that Tom Veryzer (career .294 SLG) and Duane Kuiper (3,754 PA, 121 total XBH, only 1 HR) don't make the list.

    3. There was a ton of dog meat behind the plate and in the OF too

    4. And the guys who made this list were so much better than the chaff that didn't. Might as well have sent some of them to the plate with a styrofoam pool noodle in their hands.
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    Re: "Tom Terrific" battles Dementia

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    1. Joe Morgan was a god.

    2. Your years of choice mean that Tom Veryzer (career .294 SLG) and Duane Kuiper (3,754 PA, 121 total XBH, only 1 HR) don't make the list.

    3. There was a ton of cog meat behind the plate and in the OF too

    4. And the guys who made this list were so much better than the chaff that didn't. Might as well have sent some of them to the plate with a pool noodle in their hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
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    Ahh, though I think they didn't get enough PAs through 1976 too.
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    Re: "Tom Terrific" battles Dementia

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    4. And the guys who made this list were so much better than the chaff that didn't. Might as well have sent some of them to the plate with a styrofoam pool noodle in their hands.
    No way. Pool noodles werenít even invented until 1984.

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    Re: "Tom Terrific" battles Dementia

    I always liked Seaver even before he was traded to the Reds. Funny/dumb story: When I was a kid, I read where Seaver liked to do crossword puzzles. Probably in Bench's autobiography. Anyway I had bought this book called "Felton & Fowler's Best, Worst and most unusual." It was stuff like Best this, Worst that and Most Unusual the other thing. An example was curing hiccups. The best cure was swallowing a grainy substance like sugar. The worst was a guy setting his nightgown on fire. Anyway they had the best crossword puzzle - meaning the hardest. This was the days before photocopiers being common. So I decided to copy the puzzle and send it to Seaver. My handwriting was and still is terrible but I worked and worked on copying it and all the clues the best I could and sent it to him along with a letter of explanation.
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    Re: "Tom Terrific" battles Dementia

    How do you know when Seaver was on? The dirt patch on the knee (LOL).

    He's withdrawn from public life (for obvious reasons). My heart-felt prayers go out to his family though who have to watch this beloved family member slowly deteriorate before their eyes mentally. It's a slow, insidious disease that has more then one victim.
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    Re: "Tom Terrific" battles Dementia

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    Same situation I'm in.
    Iím very sorry to hear of this, RB. I watched my momís slow decline through dementia and Altzheimers for over 20 years. Itís a long, slow, frustrating, confusing, and heartbreaking time. A difficult time for all involved.
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    Re: "Tom Terrific" battles Dementia

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBaron View Post
    Same situation I'm in.
    I was in the same situation. My mother just died recently and she had severe dementia. I truly believe its the worst thing a person can get because it robs them of who they are. I have told my wife if I ever have this she has full permission to put me down as I do not want to ever be this type of burden for her or anyone else.

    Thanks for posting about this documentary. I didn't know anything about it. I have set my DVR and its on next this Sunday. I watched a documentary a while back about Glen Cambell's last tour. It was very sad as it showed how this disease progresses in a short amount of time. By the end he really couldn't perform no where near the level he once was. Just a horrible disease.
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    Re: "Tom Terrific" battles Dementia

    50 years ago today, Seaver's Mets win the World Series.

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    Re: "Tom Terrific" battles Dementia

    If this is on again please post it here.

    I set my DVR to get it but the Fox football coverage went so long I didnít get it all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeCallMeTim View Post
    If this is on again please post it here.

    I set my DVR to get it but the Fox football coverage went so long I didn’t get it all!
    Its on Sunday afternoon at 2PM on FS1.
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    Its on Sunday afternoon at 2PM on FS1.
    Much obliged, sir!

    Not many players like Tom that is so beloved by 2 or more franchises. I think it speaks to his character and integrity. Need more of that not just in baseball, but all over.

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    Re: "Tom Terrific" battles Dementia

    I watched this show this evening. Very sad to see Seaver in a state of decline like this. I think this show may have been taped a while back and I'm sure he's much worse off now. The show mainly focused on his time with the Mets, as it should. They did have a clip of his no hitter with the Reds. I had also forgot how badly the Mets botched up his return in the 80's. They left him exposed in the free agent compensation pool and the White Sox took him. He really should have played out his time with the Mets and got his 300th win and 3,000th K with them. I also had forgot that he was with the Red Sox in 1986 and Seaver witnessed another Met miracle that year.
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