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    Re: I'd make Roster move with Duke

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I hope the Reds will not do this. Rookie starters need to be pretty special to succeed. We saw the Reds try and fail with guys like Stephenson, Reed, Romano.

    Someone with Sims’ career numbers is probably better off beginning in the Reds’ bullpen. Then, see how he does, with starting on the table for the longer view.

    You can experiment with rookie starters if you’re rebuilding. But if the goal is to win, I would go with surer bets in the 2020 rotation, including mostly veterans, and begin Sims in the pen.
    The Reds needs somebody ready to go in case of an injury. Sims is the guy IMO. The others are all kind of terrible. Ideally we'd have a trade for a good reliever, but if we're just going to go with unproven filler, I'd rather keep the best stretched out starter in AAA available in case of an injury. The only reliever down there doing really well is Anthony Bass. I'd give him a look and see if he surprises. When Senzel comes up, I'm still hoping they can deal Schebler for Bullpen help.
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    Re: I'd make Roster move with Duke

    Reds are not dealing anyone for bullpen help. They don't have a bullpen problem. They have one guy Duke, not getting the job done. And they have another lefty in Krol (ERA 2.70), who can fill in that spot at a moment's notice. And a righty in Bass (0.92 ERA).

    So don't trade, don't bring up Sims. And in fact....as I stated in OP... probably need a hitter worse.
    The lowest acceptable payroll amount for ownership to show they are not greedy pigs is 15 million more than they are currently paying. No matter what that currently is.

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    Re: I'd make Roster move with Duke

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    The Reds needs somebody ready to go in case of an injury. Sims is the guy IMO. The others are all kind of terrible. Ideally we'd have a trade for a good reliever, but if we're just going to go with unproven filler, I'd rather keep the best stretched out starter in AAA available in case of an injury. The only reliever down there doing really well is Anthony Bass. I'd give him a look and see if he surprises. When Senzel comes up, I'm still hoping they can deal Schebler for Bullpen help.
    Once Wood comes back Tyler Mahle is the depth starter. My guess is Sims is also depth this year, starting or bullpen, depending on need. Fine, no problem.

    But that’s emergency.

    In terms of planning for vacant rotation spots next year, reliance on rookies is a step backward unless somebody distinguishes himself as a top prospect fully ready.

    If the goal is to win, Reds must end this pattern of using regular season baseball as a tryout camp for starting pitchers, again except for truly excellent, special candidates.

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    Re: I'd make Roster move with Duke

    In terms of Zach Duke, he’s getting $2 million, I doubt Reds will DFA him in the near future.

    This is an area, though, where Reds should look for opportunities. Including in the July trading period.

    Reds could use some younger, dynamic relievers going forward and will have vacancies next year. So if someone controllable becomes available, they need to willing to make a move.

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    Re: I'd make Roster move with Duke

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    In terms of Zach Duke, he’s getting $2 million, I doubt Reds will DFA him in the near future.
    Wow, I must have missed that transaction. I assumed he was our annual minor league invitee who broke camp with the team despite being awful.

    What a waste of resources.
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    Don't worry. I'd say the game threads are about league average.
    "[Price] said he and the GM have become “somewhat in lockstep” with how they view the best way forward for the team, including how to handle promotions and playing young players while also trying to win games."

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    Re: I'd make Roster move with Duke

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    Re: I'd make Roster move with Duke

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Once Wood comes back Tyler Mahle is the depth starter. My guess is Sims is also depth this year, starting or bullpen, depending on need. Fine, no problem.

    But that’s emergency.

    In terms of planning for vacant rotation spots next year, reliance on rookies is a step backward unless somebody distinguishes himself as a top prospect fully ready.

    If the goal is to win, Reds must end this pattern of using regular season baseball as a tryout camp for starting pitchers, again except for truly excellent, special candidates.
    If Mahle is outpitching Disco, do you think they keep Tony in the rotation?
    (Referring to Jack Hannahan signing with a Korean team)
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    Re: I'd make Roster move with Duke

    This would be solved if Servo would start his patented kiss-of-death thread - "Zach Duke Needs to Go"

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    Re: I'd make Roster move with Duke

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat13 View Post
    This would be solved if Servo would start his patented kiss-of-death thread - "Zach Duke Needs to Go"
    So you want Duke around until 18 games in next year?
    Quote Originally Posted by BCubb2003 View Post
    Don't worry. I'd say the game threads are about league average.
    "[Price] said he and the GM have become “somewhat in lockstep” with how they view the best way forward for the team, including how to handle promotions and playing young players while also trying to win games."

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    Re: I'd make Roster move with Duke

    I thought the game was called....checked one last time on ESPN and saw we were playing in the 8th inning with Iglesias already on the mound, and the 3-0 lead had been cut to 3-2! I did not even have to look to know we likely were "DUKED". It is getting to the point of being managerial malpractice to send Duke to the mound. It reminds me of us continuing to send Homer Bailey out to start games last year when it was clear it was basically going to turn into batting practice for the other team. I am ready to say Duke had a solid MLB career, but he is washed, and it should be over.

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    Re: I'd make Roster move with Duke

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat13 View Post
    This would be solved if Servo would start his patented kiss-of-death thread - "Zach Duke Needs to Go"
    Can we settle for a Ron Gant started “Why is Zach Duke Bad at Baseball?”

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    Re: I'd make Roster move with Duke

    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    Reds are not dealing anyone for bullpen help. They don't have a bullpen problem. They have one guy Duke, not getting the job done. And they have another lefty in Krol (ERA 2.70), who can fill in that spot at a moment's notice. And a righty in Bass (0.92 ERA).

    So don't trade, don't bring up Sims. And in fact....as I stated in OP... probably need a hitter worse.
    I think the goal should be for Michael Lorenzen to be the worst pitcher on the staff. As long as they have guys you'd rate worse than him, they need to upgrade. Garrett, Stephensn and Peralta are all doing well, but I refuse to make them plan A on less than 10 innings each. It's possible that when the dust settles, all of those guys will be worse than Lorenzen (they were last year). I go get an upgrade now and if they all do well, it should be a championship caliber pen. If some guys revert, they should still be good enough to compete. Pass on pursuing an upgrade and if a couple of those guys revert or if there is an injury, the pen will be the team's weakest area.
    Last edited by mth123; 04-26-2019 at 01:21 PM.
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    Re: I'd make Roster move with Duke

    Quote Originally Posted by The Operator View Post
    So you want Duke around until 18 games in next year?
    Well did work with the 2015 guys (Kris Negron and Brennan Boesch I remember in particular, not to trigger any bad memories) but Price was my white whale.
    “I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”

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    Re: I'd make Roster move with Duke

    Quote Originally Posted by The Operator View Post
    Wow, I must have missed that transaction. I assumed he was our annual minor league invitee who broke camp with the team despite being awful.

    What a waste of resources.
    I feel like it is just bad luck with the volatility of relievers. Fortunately it was only $2M and not 3/$24M like some teams have been burned by. Duke showed varying degrees of effectiveness over the past 5 years, and had been quite effective against LHH.
    Last edited by Griffey012; 04-26-2019 at 02:26 PM.
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    Re: I'd make Roster move with Duke

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Well did work with the 2015 guys (Kris Negron and Brennan Boesch I remember in particular, not to trigger any bad memories) but Price was my white whale.
    I will approve if and only if you promise to say that Duke has baby bird brains.
    Quote Originally Posted by BCubb2003 View Post
    Don't worry. I'd say the game threads are about league average.
    "[Price] said he and the GM have become “somewhat in lockstep” with how they view the best way forward for the team, including how to handle promotions and playing young players while also trying to win games."

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