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    Re: Votto and the choking up

    There was a segment yesterday on MLB Network by Mark DeRosa about this exact topic and its shocking just how different Votto was in 2015. He was way more upright and choked up far less. But then again he looked very similar to 2017 when he was robbed of the MVP, so go figure...

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    It was painful watching the entire lineup trying to connect on a 91 mph fastball ( which seemed at times, right down the pike), but Votto’s at bats are more painful. It does seem he’s not getting calls anymore.
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    In his last 54 at bat's his well hit rate is 11.1%. League average is 17.4%. I don't know what to make of that. He is in the midst of a six game hitting streak. One game at a time I suppose.

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    Re: Votto and the choking up

    Why not just use a shorter bat?
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    Re: Votto and the choking up

    Quote Originally Posted by Tadasimha View Post
    Why not just use a shorter bat?
    In theory, I am not sure that has the same intended effect. For one, most batters do not choke up to a degree unless the situation calls for it....and a smaller bat would likely be too lite for most hitter. I do not know much about choking up, beyond when I was young and would get two strikes, coach would always yell "choke up a little", and I would wave him off because it is hard to hit the long ball when choking up on the bat.....and even then, I knew chicks dug the long ball. In all seriousness, I have not seen a modern baseball player at any level choke up to the degree Votto has this season.....his hands sometimes appear closer to the barrel of the bat than the knob of the bat.
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    Re: Votto and the choking up

    Quote Originally Posted by Tadasimha View Post
    Why not just use a shorter bat?
    If you look at the image I posted, choking up speeds up the barrel of the bat by adjusting the way the bat moves with an added pivot. A shorter bat would save weight but not have this same effect.

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    Re: Votto and the choking up

    I would like to see Votto actually swing the bat, choked up or not. He seems to be looking for a walk, even more than usual. Votto is leading the league in called third strikes.

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    Re: Votto and the choking up

    in yesterday's 4-0 win over the dodgers, votto swung at a 3-0 pitch. but he didn't swing hard, and lofted a lazy fly ball to left. i was thinking, if that's his swing on a 3-0 pitch right down the middle, there is something very wrong with joey votto's swing.

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    I just can't wrap my head around all the physics of choking up. That 2010 article doesn't convince me that all its conclusions are correct.

    All I know, is that Joey Votto was a great player....but I'm afraid that day is now gone. My gut feeling is he has lost a step and he is over thinking it. It's just odd that power has always been the last thing to go on aging players. He may be shooting himself in the foot by choking up so much and robbing himself of that much more power on his swing. Whatever his mindset/game plan is right now.....he needs to change it. An occasional slap hitter or even a Tony Gywnn type is great...but Votto has the potential to be better and more productive than that. We've seen it in the past and we hope it's still there, so it's very frustrating to watch his current approach.

    I wonder who he goes to for hitting advice.

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    Re: Votto and the choking up

    Quote Originally Posted by klw View Post
    If you look at the image I posted, choking up speeds up the barrel of the bat by adjusting the way the bat moves with an added pivot. A shorter bat would save weight but not have this same effect.
    If you decrease the overall mass, the rotational inertia also has to decrease, I believe.

    In regard to a shorter bat...Votto said that he actually feels more comfortable choking up.

    So it surprised me to see him taking "normal" swings without choking up in spring training.
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    Re: Votto and the choking up

    A kid on my high school team always choked up - he hated the feel of the knob on his bottom hand. It was a comfort thing.

    I swung hard on everything just in case I made contact, so I liked having the knob up tight against my bottom hand - I would have never dreamed of choking up.

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    Re: Votto and the choking up

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post

    Ain't nothing we can do anyway.
    1) Move him down in the order
    2) Play someone more productive
    Huh? Huh-uh. Oh yeah, uh-huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HUHUH View Post
    1) Move him down in the order
    2) Play someone more productive
    3)Homer Votto to the Dodgers for anyone they don't want anymore.
    Last edited by jerdelaa; 05-19-2019 at 05:44 PM.

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    Re: Votto and the choking up

    Quote Originally Posted by jerdelaa View Post
    3)Homer Votto to the Dodgers for anything they don't want anymore.
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