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    Organizing this bullpen

    Unlike some, I don’t favor a free-flowing bullpen. I like more defined roles. Not debating that here, I understand there are different view points. These are not rigid, can vary if truly necessary.

    1. Late innings, 7th - 9th (4 pitchers) - Iglesias, Garrett, Hernandez, Hughes. Should be upgraded, Reds need at least one more high level reliever for this group.

    2. Middle innings, 5th - 7th or earlier as needed (2-3 pitchers) - Lorenzen, Stephenson. Cody Reed should be added to round out this group. Multi-innings ability necessary.

    3. Lefty specialist, strictly to face lefties (1-2 pitchers) - Duke, Peralta, with one to be replaced by Reed (see above).

    Main need from the outside is high level late innings guy to reduce reliance on Iglesias. Seventh inning intentional overlap between groups 1 and 2 for flexibility.

    IMO Reds’ pen would function better with this general structure.
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    Re: Organizing this bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Unlike some, I don’t favor a free-flowing bullpen. I like more defined roles. Not debating that here, I understand there are different view points. These are not rigid, can vary if truly necessary.

    1. Late innings, 7th - 9th (4 pitchers) - Iglesias, Garrett, Hernandez, Hughes. Should be upgraded, Reds need at least one more high level reliever for this group.

    2. Middle innings, 5th - 7th or earlier as needed (2-3 pitchers) - Lorenzen, Stephenson. Cody Reed should be added to round out this group. Multi-innings ability necessary.

    3. Lefty specialist, strictly to face lefties (1-2 pitchers) - Duke, Peralta, with one to be replaced by Reed (see above).

    Main need from the outside is high level late innings guy to reduce reliance on Iglesias. Seventh inning intentional overlap between groups 1 and 2 for flexibility.

    IMO Reds’ pen would function better with this general structure.
    I think Stephenson should definitely in the late inning and Hughes a middle reliever other then that I agree.
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    Re: Organizing this bullpen

    MLB draft June 3-5, 2019
    Sign Kimbrel 3 yrs 20 per (2019 pro rata) June 6

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    MLB draft June 3-5, 2019
    Sign Kimbrel 3 yrs 20 per (2019 pro rata) June 6
    At this point, I think this is one of the best moves this team could make - although this seems a bit high for Kimbrel. That's not a knee jerk because of Iggy's struggles of late. It's more a reaction to what's possibly available for $ instead of prospects and overall impact to this team.

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    Reds need a late inning acquisition. Iglesias and Dietrich in the MI, VanMeter now on the roster. Scooter coming back. The Reds have an overload in the MI (at least at 2B). Jose Peraza for Mychal Givens. Seems a decent deal for both teams. Reds may need to add something else the Orioles could use. Maybe somebody like Jackson Stephens. Givens would be a nice late inning piece that could fit as the fireman the team seems to be lacking and they'd have him in 2020 and 2021.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Reds need a late inning acquisition. Iglesias and Dietrich in the MI, VanMeter now on the roster. Scooter coming back. The Reds have an overload in the MI (at least at 2B). Jose Peraza for Mychal Givens. Seems a decent deal for both teams. Reds may need to add something else the Orioles could use. Maybe somebody like Jackson Stephens. Givens would be a nice late inning piece that could fit as the fireman the team seems to be lacking and they'd have him in 2020 and 2021.
    I love that move
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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Reds need a late inning acquisition. Iglesias and Dietrich in the MI, VanMeter now on the roster. Scooter coming back. The Reds have an overload in the MI (at least at 2B). Jose Peraza for Mychal Givens. Seems a decent deal for both teams. Reds may need to add something else the Orioles could use. Maybe somebody like Jackson Stephens. Givens would be a nice late inning piece that could fit as the fireman the team seems to be lacking and they'd have him in 2020 and 2021.
    I am impressed. I could not name anyone on the Orioles other than Chris Davis at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolando View Post
    I think Stephenson should definitely in the late inning and Hughes a middle reliever other then that I agree.
    In due time I’d agree.

    Right now I like Bob in the 1+ inning role earlier, but I take your point.

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    In due time I’d agree.

    Right now I like Bob in the 1+ inning role earlier, but I take your point.
    Yeah it was more about the dynamic reliever point. I just dont see Hughes as a late inning reliever. I do think Hughes is a good middle reliever though.
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    Re: Organizing this bullpen

    A little concerned about 2020 bullpen when Hernandez leaves and Hughes likely declines further.
    Either Stephenson and Reed are ready for high leverage use or they'll have to acquire other pieces

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    Quote Originally Posted by UPRedsFan View Post
    A little concerned about 2020 bullpen when Hernandez leaves and Hughes likely declines further.
    Either Stephenson and Reed are ready for high leverage use or they'll have to acquire other pieces
    I see some very nice bullpen pieces coming up in our minors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolando View Post
    Yeah it was more about the dynamic reliever point. I just dont see Hughes as a late inning reliever. I do think Hughes is a good middle reliever though.
    Sure. My thinking is that with 5-6 inning starts, having Stephenson, Reed, and Lorenzen following the starter would be great. They all can pitch multi-innings if necessary. In today's game I view it as an important role. Maybe get you to the 8th inning some games.

    Obviously Hernandez and Hughes as part of the late inning group is a question. I put them there because they've been effective and can handle late inning pressure. But that late inning group needs to be upgraded, I think that's the consensus.

    This is just a template, really, the names can change as pitchers develop and additions/subtractions are made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Sure. My thinking is that with 5-6 inning starts, having Stephenson, Reed, and Lorenzen following the starter would be great. They all can pitch multi-innings if necessary. In today's game I view it as an important role. Maybe get you to the 8th inning some games.

    Obviously Hernandez and Hughes as part of the late inning group is a question. I put them there because they've been effective and can handle late inning pressure. But that late inning group needs to be upgraded, I think that's the consensus.

    This is just a template, really, the names can change as pitchers develop and additions/subtractions are made.
    I can totally see your point any other thinking more about it with this group of relievers the way you set it up is probably the exact way you should set it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I see some very nice bullpen pieces coming up in our minors.
    OK. I'll bite. Who????
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    Re: Organizing this bullpen

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    OK. I'll bite. Who????
    I think Vlad Gutierrez is a bullpen piece. Reed too. I'd include Herget, Mella & Romano as potential middle inning options. Maybe 1 of Powers/Hendrix can break through. We should be able to get 2, hopefully 3, relievers out of that group. 1 middle & 1 late inning. Stephenson has taken to the bullpen great; not crazy to think a couple of these guys could also.


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