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Thread: The future of Votto

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    Re: The future of Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Half the starting lineup has sub-.300 OBs. Votto's not one of them. He's going to be more up and down as he gets older, but I'm reasonably confident about the ups. Most of the other struggling players, not so much.
    Like today's 9-pitch Plate Appearance to start off the night. Not only did he get on base, but he was OK with being lifted for a Pinch-Runner. All of that activity rattled the Pitcher as Suarez took him very, very deep on the next pitch. Still rattled, he hit Winker and walked another.

    That's the kind of impact Votto can have.

    He's like Yaz in '75.

    He inspires. For those players who want to better themselves, he's a walking Encyclopedia of baseball expertise. Very valuable.
    Last edited by Kingspoint; 05-24-2019 at 11:25 PM.
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    Re: The future of Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    Like today's 9-pitch Plate Appearance to start off the night. Not only did he get on base, but he was OK with being lifted for a Pinch-Runner. All of that activity rattled the Pitcher as Suarez took him very, very deep on the next pitch. Still rattled, he hit Winker and walked another.

    That's the kind of impact Votto can have.

    He's like Yaz in '75.

    He inspires. For those players who want to better himself, he's a walking Encyclopedia of baseball expertise. Very valuable.
    That's actually not a bad comparison.
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    Re: The future of Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by plantmanky View Post
    I wonder if Votto would restructure his contract, cut it down to say 10 M a year, but extend it out like Griffey did.
    My guess is that they announce a reworked deal, restructure, whatever you want to call it, and he retires before 2024...but they'll never give us the details

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    Re: The future of Votto

    I bet he’s at .700 OPS by Thursday, .800 by July 1.
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    Re: The future of Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I bet he’s at .700 OPS by Thursday, .800 by July 1.
    Might need to move up the timeline for .700 to tomorrow.
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    Re: The future of Votto

    At a very nice .696 OPS now
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    Re: The future of Votto

    9 for 22 = 2 w last 5 games

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    Re: The future of Votto

    I'm glad to see some of Joey's pokes are falling in but let's not lose sight of some facts. If you're into OPS, fine. His OPS is ranked #47th among all 1B. If you're into WAR, he's ranked 56. Kyle Farmer is above him in both categories and he's played in 21 less games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I'm glad to see some of Joey's pokes are falling in but let's not lose sight of some facts. If you're into OPS, fine. His OPS is ranked #47th among all 1B. If you're into WAR, he's ranked 56. Kyle Farmer is above him in both categories and he's played in 21 less games.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...rs=0&page=2_30

    Let's not lose sight of reality here
    Wait, someone who had a bad 2 months to start the season still ranks poorly after a week of hitting well?

    No way. I don’t believe it.

    We will see where he ranks in all of those at the end of the year. My last post was a prediction for the future. You think (which is really another word for hope in this case, as you clearly want Votto to fail because he represents the stat nerds on RZ, and you are way more transparent then you think) he’s going to continue to be awful. We shall see.
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    Re: The future of Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Wait, someone who had a bad 2 months to start the season still ranks poorly after a week of hitting well?

    No way. I don’t believe it.

    We will see where he ranks in all of those at the end of the year. My last post was a prediction for the future. You think (which is really another word for hope in this case, as you clearly want Votto to fail because he represents the stat nerds on RZ, and you are way more transparent then you think) he’s going to continue to be awful. We shall see.
    I think he'll bring his batting average up a bit but at the end of the yr as you put it, his numbers will be awful as compared to other 1B.

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    Re: The future of Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    I think he'll bring his batting average up a bit but at the end of the yr as you put it, his numbers will be awful as compared to other 1B.
    Ok, you are on record. We shall see.
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    Re: The future of Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I bet he’s at .700 OPS by Thursday, .800 by July 1.
    If Votto finishes the season with an .800 OPS, he will likely have an fWAR around 2.0. or lower.

    That’s a meh OPS for a slow first baseman.
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    Re: The future of Votto

    Just for reference, what Votto's end of season numbers will look like given different performance levels (assuming health):

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    	PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS		PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
    Current	210	.232	.333	.354	.687						
    											
    Poor	420	.240	.340	.380	.720	-->	630	.237	.338	.371	.709
    Fair	420	.270	.380	.420	.800	-->	630	.257	.364	.398	.762
    Good	420	.300	.420	.480	.900	-->	630	.277	.391	.438	.829
    Great	420	.330	.460	.560	1.020	-->	630	.297	.418	.491	.909
    At this point, best case scenario is something resembling a .900 OPS, 4 win season -- that's with a peak Votto performance moving forward. A more likely scenario is something closer to an .800 OPS and a 2-3 win season.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: The future of Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Ok, you are on record. We shall see.
    As are you. I hope I'm dead wrong. I would love to be dead wrong on this one.

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    Re: The future of Votto

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Just for reference, what Votto's end of season numbers will look like given different performance levels (assuming health):

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    	PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS		PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
    Current	210	.232	.333	.354	.687						
    											
    Poor	420	.240	.340	.380	.720	-->	630	.237	.338	.371	.709
    Fair	420	.270	.380	.420	.800	-->	630	.257	.364	.398	.762
    Good	420	.300	.420	.480	.900	-->	630	.277	.391	.438	.829
    Great	420	.330	.460	.560	1.020	-->	630	.297	.418	.491	.909
    At this point, best case scenario is something resembling a .900 OPS, 4 win season -- that's with a peak Votto performance moving forward. A more likely scenario is something closer to an .800 OPS and a 2-3 win season.
    Your more likely scenario would mean that he plays at a 3-4 WAR pace for the rest of the season. I find that highly unlikely. IMO we'll see him end the year at no better than a 2.0 WAR which would likely place him a tick higher than avg. I don't think he'll attain that


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