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    Pitcher skips MLB draft for Japan deal

    Apologies if this has been posted already, but I find it fascinating:

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2...aft-japan-deal

    Nineteen-year-old pitcher Carter Stewart is in agreement with the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks of the Japanese Pacific League on a six-year contract worth more than $7 million, a groundbreaking deal that could have long-term ramifications for Major League Baseball's amateur and professional sides, sources told ESPN.

    Stewart, who was chosen by the Atlanta Braves with the eighth pick in the 2018 draft out of a Florida high school but did not sign after they reduced their signing-bonus offer due to an alleged injury, was expected to be chosen in the early second round of this June's draft. By signing with Fukuoka, which has won four of the past five Japan Series, Stewart would guarantee himself significantly more money than he would have made with a major league organization -- and could theoretically join the major leagues as a 25-year-old free agent.
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    That is pretty wild. What kind of money was he looking at in the 8th in terms of signing bonus and slot money?

    The way teams are trending with calling up players later and later, this guy probably makes his MLB debut maybe a year later than he would have had he gone through the draft, and he’s already getting paid.

    Hopefully they don’t overuse him like crazy the way some of those Japanese teams do.
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    Re: Pitcher skips MLB draft for Japan deal

    Japanese pitchers have different throwing programs, it will be interesting to see how he takes to it

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    Re: Pitcher skips MLB draft for Japan deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Hopefully they don’t overuse him like crazy the way some of those Japanese teams do.
    That's definitely a worry, a team who knows he's gone no matter what might care even less about his workload.
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    Sounds like a smart move to me. I wonder if agents have curtailed this choice before or if Japanese teams have not been aggressive in the amateur draft. If you’re good enough someone will offer to buy you out. I would have taken less years though.
    Seems the Japanese would be more involved. There’s money to be made by reselling good ball players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Japanese pitchers have different throwing programs, it will be interesting to see how he takes to it
    Also the cultural change both on and off the field.
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    Re: Pitcher skips MLB draft for Japan deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfaithful View Post
    Apologies if this has been posted already, but I find it fascinating:

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2...aft-japan-deal
    It's news to me. Thank you.
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    He basically is using the Japanese league as his minor leagues. It could hurt his development, since it’s the pro’s and they are going to only care about results and not his development. But, he’s getting over $5M than if he stayed in the MLB draft. Considering the odds of pitching prospects becoming MLB starters, it seems like a good bet.
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    Re: Pitcher skips MLB draft for Japan deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    That is pretty wild. What kind of money was he looking at in the 8th in terms of signing bonus and slot money?
    I think he was slotted @ around $5 Million in 2018 as the 8th pick, but the Braves only offered 40% ($2 Million) after coming across something in his medicals. This year he was projected to get drafted much later and was likely looking at less than $2 Million. Beyond moving across the world, he made the best decision based on finances alone.....and if he is good enough and can get back in MLB around 25 years old as a FA, then he will have really made the wise decision.

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    Re: Pitcher skips MLB draft for Japan deal

    You look at it like he gets way more guaranteed money to do this, and he's also betting on himself at the same time. If he becomes a major league pitcher by that age he'll do so well as a 25-year-old free agent.

    If someone elite ever did this, they could be looking at a nine figure deal by the time they are 24-25 years old, and they'd get to go through the free agency process at least twice at a good age.
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    I'm for anything that puts more power and security in the hands of the individual and forces the companies/clubs to step up their offers and treatment of people.
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    Re: Pitcher skips MLB draft for Japan deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Schuler View Post
    I'm for anything that puts more power and security in the hands of the individual and forces the companies/clubs to step up their offers and treatment of people.
    Understand exactly where you’re coming from, but something about this made my stomach turn. The fact that players make millions a year on the surface makes that laughable. But when you think a little more i am on your side. Weird.

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    Re: Pitcher skips MLB draft for Japan deal

    I'm fairly surprised a Japanese team would do this for a HS school pitcher. I imagine his success will be a big factor in whether this happens again for HS'er. It would seem to make much more sense for a college guy (especially a senior who gets lowballed).
    The lowest acceptable payroll amount for ownership to show they are not greedy pigs is 15 million more than they are currently paying. No matter what that currently is.

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    Re: Pitcher skips MLB draft for Japan deal

    I think this will be a bit like the basketball players who went to Europe to play for a year rather than spend a year in college. That was also billed as potentially revolutionary and game-changing. But it generally had disastrous results. Most 18 year-olds aren't ready to move across the world to a completely different culture. It may work out for this guy and for a few others (and good on them if it does), but I think there's about a 0% chance of this strategy having the major ramifications referred to in the ESPN article.

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    Re: Pitcher skips MLB draft for Japan deal

    The ramifications of this won't be felt for several years. The "alleged" injury may turn out to be accurate proving the Braves were shrewd. It may also be false and the Braves missed out on Cy Young II. Who knows?

    In the end, I'm guessing his dream growing up wasn't to play in Japan and now he's turned into a business. It's officially no longer "For Love of the Game".

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