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    Re: Tyler Stephenson note and question

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    You guys need to handle whatever the issue is privately and not spend any more time bickering back in forth in the forum (in this thread or elsewhere). If ignoring each other is what's needed, then that's fine, but we're not going to continue with the personal stuff in the recent posts.
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    Re: Tyler Stephenson note and question

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    My preference is definitely to talk baseball in this area but if posts that tell fellow RZers "to go to hell" are tolerated by the powers that be, then there's not much chance of that. Furthermore, if they're not removed and disciplined then it can be expected that such behavior will crop up again in the future.
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    Re: Tyler Stephenson note and question

    Going by the silence I'd say folks have now had the fear of God instilled in them and are afraid to talk...but let's try to get back to where we left off.

    I was making the point that I really hope Tyler Stephenson is the Reds future at catcher but recent history tells us that highly touted prospects are sometimes are gone in the cloud of a multiplayer trade where the Reds receive nothing more than a short term rental. I'd say Tyler is one bad season away from that. We desperately need a prospect to become our catcher and anchor the position for many yrs

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    Re: Tyler Stephenson note and question

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    It’s also a fact a lot of “stud minor leaguers” don’t pan out.

    Neither of those statements have anything to do with Tyler Stephenson. Has there been one rumor you can link to with the reds offering or listening to offers on Tyler Stephenson?
    It's not far fetched. In fact his being traded is already being floated:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mitri View Post
    If they sign Grandal for 3/4 years, does Tyler Stephenson become a trade chip for Marte?

    I love Stephenson but his value may just be peaking this offseason.

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    Re: Tyler Stephenson note and question

    We desperately need a prospect to become our catcher and anchor the position for many yrs
    No we don't. I mean it'd be nice, but need? nah. If the Reds do in fact sign Grandal, then they don't need that to happen. They can draft the catcher of the future in June or maybe he's in the system in the lower minors. Like in the DSL.

    What the Reds need isn't a catcher at all. The team needs a true CF, health all over, and two shut down relievers. And if the Reds do sign Grandall, the Stephenson can bring in a little haul to help the MLB team.

    Health. This team needs health. I honestly don't care if Stephenson plays an inning behind the plate. He's not the key to success for 2020-2021.
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    Re: Tyler Stephenson note and question

    Catcher, like CF, is one of the positions that needs a significant upgrade. What I meant by my statement is that we can't afford to tie up $70mill in a 31 yr old catcher. We're not that kind of team. For that reason we need a guy like Ty Stephenson to take it over. That'd would free up money to spend in other areas for the next 4 yrs.

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    Re: Tyler Stephenson note and question

    I agree Stephenson is a critical prospect....letting him develop is crucial. Ditto for Garcia. Right now, because of their critical positions, they are at the top of my prospect list. Lodolo, as a LH starter makes my short list, too. That is prospects you roll the dice with and don't trade. The Reds need to get this right for a change. India, Greene (bc of iffy health), Santillan are the guys you offer in deals. They may well be good MLers someday but all of them are easier to replace in subsequent drafts.
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    Re: Tyler Stephenson note and question

    Great piece on Tyler. Man what a beautiful swing

    https://www.prospects1500.com/nl-cen...er-stephenson/

    Also he is #53 overall on FG now.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/...0000&pagenum=0

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    Re: Tyler Stephenson note and question

    Quote Originally Posted by DocRed View Post
    India, Stephenson, Greene, Lodolo, and Santillan (in that order) are all 50 grade guys and in the top 106 picks. (FG does things a bit differently.

    Garcia is a 45+ with an arrow up and a ranking inside the top 125 or so.

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    Re: Tyler Stephenson note and question

    Tyler looks like a guy with tremendous untapped power. His swing looks very Senzel like, not a lot of movement and geared toward line drives up the middle. If he gets those hips involved with a more pull heavy approach, look out.
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    Re: Tyler Stephenson note and question

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    India, Stephenson, Greene, Lodolo, and Santillan (in that order) are all 50 grade guys and in the top 106 picks. (FG does things a bit differently.

    Garcia is a 45+ with an arrow up and a ranking inside the top 125 or so.
    I thought the Reds' system was bereft of talent?

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    Re: Tyler Stephenson note and question

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    Catcher, like CF, is one of the positions that needs a significant upgrade. What I meant by my statement is that we can't afford to tie up $70mill in a 31 yr old catcher. We're not that kind of team. For that reason we need a guy like Ty Stephenson to take it over. That'd would free up money to spend in other areas for the next 4 yrs.
    I used to think the same, but my thinking evolved. I see 2020 as a huge window to capitalize on the solid starting rotation. Not sure they can afford to wait for Stephenson, unless they dramatically upgrade at SS and 2b or CF.

    In 2021 Votto will also be 37 turning 38. I'm not saying 2020 is go for broke, and I don't want to trade off prospects for veterans. But I'm expecting a little regression in the starting rotation in 2021. Seems to me a Grandal signing is necessary in 2020 because Stephenson won't be ready and we face losing Bauer/Disco in 2021.

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    Re: Tyler Stephenson note and question

    Quote Originally Posted by UPRedsFan View Post
    I used to think the same, but my thinking evolved. I see 2020 as a huge window to capitalize on the solid starting rotation. Not sure they can afford to wait for Stephenson, unless they dramatically upgrade at SS and 2b or CF.

    In 2021 Votto will also be 37 turning 38. I'm not saying 2020 is go for broke, and I don't want to trade off prospects for veterans. But I'm expecting a little regression in the starting rotation in 2021. Seems to me a Grandal signing is necessary in 2020 because Stephenson won't be ready and we face losing Bauer/Disco in 2021.
    This exactly. If that isn't the plan and the budget won't allow it, then they need to deal Bauer and possibly Disco for longer term pieces who can help now and the future. Dealing those two could probably fill all the holes in the line-up for the foreseeable future and there are FA pitchers available who will cost less than the bats they need to sign.
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