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    Re: Bauer traded to Reds - part 2

    Bauer is high floor and high ceiling, and didn't cost that much in terms of prospects or dollars. He's also tradable for a Trammel-like return at any point in the next 350 days. It might not work out but it was a perfectly reasonable thing to do (and I've been among the first to say so when this group has made decisions I thought were unreasonable).

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    Re: Bauer traded to Reds - part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by mamell View Post
    Let's recap since the trade.. Puig with Cleveland hitting .357, .984 OPS,
    Bauer with the Reds, 13 earned runs in 16 innings with a 7.31 ERA. Should have kept Puig and made him a starting pitcher.. OK, not really, but unless Bauer rights his personal ship this may go down as amongst the worst trade of recent memory.
    Good thing baseball has a season longer than 2 weeks

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    Re: Bauer traded to Reds - part 2

    This isn't about Puig, IMO. The question is how you value TT, and pretty much nothing else. Outside of TT, the move from the Reds perspective going forward is replacing Roark with Bauer for 2020. Castillo and Gray are still on board and Bauer should be at least as good as Roark and COULD be much better.

    As a bonus, moving Puig gives us an opportunity to try out our young outfielders to see what we have the rest of this season. Most Reds fans would have no idea who Aquino was if not for the Puig trade. That has been fun and gives us a potential option for RF next year that wasn't really on the radar prior.

    Bauer got roughed up for sure, but nothing I saw changed my view of the trade or my optimism for next season.

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    Re: Bauer traded to Reds - part 2

    Who were and are the other elite starters available that will play in Cincy? In my eyes, Bauer was very clearly the best guy out there.


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    Re: Bauer traded to Reds - part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    Who were and are the other elite starters available that will play in Cincy? In my eyes, Bauer was very clearly the best guy out there.


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    It’s possible Alex Wood is a better bet. They desperately need left handed starters.

    And I do think the downside risk with Bauer is being overlooked by Redszone. He needs coaching. How coachable is he? If he has a 6 ERA in May, does he have the self control to ask for help?
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    Re: Bauer traded to Reds - part 2

    One option not being considered is to flip Bauer. He was just traded and the team that traded him ended up with 5 guys. One solid rental, one decent offensive player, a high end pitching prospect and two lotto tickets. If his market value is 60% of that, it may still be a move worth making. His projected salary can be used on another option. It's not out of the question and the Reds could still end up with better than what they gave up.
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    Re: Bauer traded to Reds - part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    One option not being considered is to flip Bauer. He was just traded and the team that traded him ended up with 5 guys. One solid rental, one decent offensive player, a high end pitching prospect and two lotto tickets. If his market value is 60% of that, it may still be a move worth making. His projected salary can be used on another option. It's not out of the question and the Reds could still end up with better than what they gave up.
    I think they should be open to this idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    One option not being considered is to flip Bauer. He was just traded and the team that traded him ended up with 5 guys. One solid rental, one decent offensive player, a high end pitching prospect and two lotto tickets. If his market value is 60% of that, it may still be a move worth making. His projected salary can be used on another option. It's not out of the question and the Reds could still end up with better than what they gave up.
    Yea, that is what I've been thinking but it is dependent on Wood showing enough to sign and have sign plus Bauer showing he is worth 5 guys. It is also dependent on finding a team as desperate as the Reds reportedly were to trade for Bauer. That may be unlikely but particularly when lots of arms are available in the winter.

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    Re: Bauer traded to Reds - part 2

    I don't mind someone not being a fan of the trade. WM has been against the trade from the get-go and I respect that.

    But to knock Bauer down (not speaking of WM) to justify not liking the deal is silly to me. We have a good sense of who Bauer is. Who are the pitchers out there who are better? (To the point that Bauer is simply average)

    I totally get not liking trading a high ranked prospect for 1.3 years of a pitcher. It's as simple as that if you don't like it.

    And I'd absolutely float Bauer's name out there this winter/next ST...just to see if anyone bites.

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    Re: Bauer traded to Reds - part 2

    ERA up to 4.25 as of right now. Another 6 runs surrendered through 2 and a third.
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    Re: Bauer traded to Reds - part 2

    Maybe the Indians are smarter than we’d like to give them credits for.
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    Re: Bauer traded to Reds - part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    ERA up to 4.25 as of right now. Another 6 runs surrendered through 2 and a third.


    Let's hope he's got one more phenomenal tantalizing start in him next time out.
    After that we can shut him down and still flip him for a couple of top prospects over the winter.

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    Re: Bauer traded to Reds - part 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Rece Tyler View Post
    Let's hope he's got one more phenomenal tantalizing start in him next time out.
    After that we can shut him down and still flip him for a couple of top prospects over the winter.
    Or he figures it out sometime between now and next season, and turns in a standout season in 2020, leading the Reds to the playoffs.
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    Re: Bauer traded to Reds - part 2

    Gotta wonder whether he's hiding an injury or something like that.


    I've always thought he was a little bit overrated but he was always at least solid, and he's had two of the worst starts of his entire career since coming to The Reds. Hopefully he's just pressing and/or working through a rough patch, but I'd be lying if I said this isn't very worrisome.


    The Indians are very smart organization. That's why the whole "hey, we're willing to trade Kluber!" stuff over the winter made me so nervous. The fact that The Indians were willing to part with this guy in the middle of a pennant race when Kluber was alreay hurt is a little bit weird to me.


    Hopefully I'm wrong and we'll all be laughing about this next year as he posts a sub-3 ERA season along with Castillo and Sonny.
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    Re: Bauer traded to Reds - part 2

    Or just cut bait....

    I say we flip him for prospects and then use the money saved to resign Puig.


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