Bauer traded to Reds - part 2

[Crumbley]

Bauer has never played on a bad team before, I wonder how much playing in meaningless games is effecting him.

[Coopdaddy67]

"A player's salary can indeed be reduced in arbitration -- with 20 percent being the maximum amount by which a salary can be cut."
-MLB.com

with Bauer having made $13M this season while stinking up the joint the team can offer him $10.4M for the '20 season. Which is a salary much more in line with his career numbers. (as well as far easier to digest from a fan's perspective)

And as for "the Reds just paid a ton for him" - - - - - - -all we gave up was 2 months of free agent to be Puig and a couple of minor leaguers who, chances are, will never even make it to The Show.

If the Reds offered him $10.4 mil and he submitted $20 mil, he'd win because of the Reds' stupidity. He's not going to get a pay cut. Oh, and that would surely anger him and presumably destroy any chance the Reds have at resigning him.

He's had a few rough starts with the Reds, but he's been better than average this year.

Edit: I don't believe he's compared to FA's either, but players on the same arbitration level currently and historically. Bottom line: he's getting a raise and the $18 mil figure is a solid projection.

[The Operator]

Bauer didn’t stink up the joint most of the season, just when he came to an actual real MLB division. Not the joke known as the AL Central.

Plus Bauer’s peripherals destroy Roark’s.

Okay I'm confused.

You're so down on him that you think The Reds should cut bait, but now you're defending his performance and/or peripherals in order to justify why you think he'll get 18 million in arb?

[Bill]

Bauer goes into the arb hearings very well prepared and wins them.

[mth123]

"A player's salary can indeed be reduced in arbitration -- with 20 percent being the maximum amount by which a salary can be cut."
-MLB.com

with Bauer having made $13M this season while stinking up the joint the team can offer him $10.4M for the '20 season. Which is a salary much more in line with his career numbers. (as well as far easier to digest from a fan's perspective)

And as for "the Reds just paid a ton for him" - - - - - - -all we gave up was 2 months of free agent to be Puig and a couple of minor leaguers who, chances are, will never even make it to The Show.

It's possible, but it doesn't unless a guy just has a disaster season and usually players who would merit a decrease are simply non-tendered and never actually go to arb. If the Reds submit a salary that is a reduction from Bauer's 2019 number, that pretty much guarantees that the arbitrator will go with the player's number.

[Falls City Beer]

Okay I'm confused.

You're so down on him that you think The Reds should cut bait, but now you're defending his performance and/or peripherals in order to justify why you think he'll get 18 million in arb?

He has racked up K numbers. But that doesn’t mean he’s any good or will be any good going forward. Especially given how careful the Reds have to be with payroll.

[JFLegal]

the bottom line for me is that i think the reds could have and should have received more than 1 year (+2 months) of trevor bauer for the package of taylor trammell, scott moss and 2 months of puig. trammell (despite his poor year) and moss is a lot to give up for a rental of a good but not great pitcher. and i do believe bauer is a good starting pitcher. his rough time thus far with the reds does not change my opinion, because it's far too small of a sample size. i do like the idea of castillo, gray, bauer leading the reds' 2020 rotation, but i still think the reds gave up too much for him. trammell was still a very highly-rated prospect (top 30 in all of MLB/the reds' top prospect) despite his poor season in 2019. if you give up your top prospect for a one-year rental, you better be right.

[redsrule2500]

Okay I'm confused.

You're so down on him that you think The Reds should cut bait, but now you're defending his performance and/or peripherals in order to justify why you think he'll get 18 million in arb?

I can at least see where they are coming from w/ this assessment.

Arbitration is a lot about past performance and name recognition, it's not actually representative of the market IMO.

[TheBigLebowski]

There may be a way out of this. An easy way.

When the deal was consummated, did anyone yell "BLACK, BLACK, NO TRADE BACK?"

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...20trade%20back

[Big Klu]

I would absolutely not put it past Castellini to say “I really like this guy, we have to go get him. Make it happen.” We know he’s played favorites and vetoed trades for Reds players, I don’t see why he wouldn’t have his favorites on other teams as well.

Yes, but if that were the case then I can't see Castellini allowing them to trade Puig to make it happen. Puig was a fan favorite and a PR man's dream. Bob would have told them to trade someonw else to get Bauer.

[Ohiohaybaler]

Damaged goods? When Bauer was traded to the Reds, he said he has partially torn ligaments in his left ankle, and he has been healthy for only 7 or 8 starts this year: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb...ear/ar-AAF9uCm

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[toesave]

The Reds were paying $15M for Arroyo earlier this decade and he was worth every penny. SPs now throw fewer IP, but if he can be in the top 10 in that category next season, money well spent.

bauer is no more then an average to below average sp... his 3rd team, being dumped by a playoff bound team says it all... we gave up way to much for a player like him... this team has an issue with lack of quality pitching.. he is and never will be the answer..

he talks a great game until he gets on the mound.. once that happens reality shows it's horrible truth... even if we did not pay way to much for him, he still has little to no value to a team as a starter... perhaps if they get him to redo his contract.. if he was an out of the bull pen reliever spot starter at 2,000,000...… then perhaps he would have a value.... he could be used to eat up innings in a blow out....

[Larry Schuler]

When Bauer pitches and this thread gets bumped, I know he had a stinker.

[M2]

bauer is no more then an average to below average sp... his 3rd team, being dumped by a playoff bound team says it all... we gave up way to much for a player like him... this team has an issue with lack of quality pitching.. he is and never will be the answer..

he talks a great game until he gets on the mound.. once that happens reality shows it's horrible truth... even if we did not pay way to much for him, he still has little to no value to a team as a starter... perhaps if they get him to redo his contract.. if he was an out of the bull pen reliever spot starter at 2,000,000...… then perhaps he would have a value.... he could be used to eat up innings in a blow out....

Bauer's career numbers severely disagree with you.

Maybe he's Dempster redux for the Reds, in which case I'll curse him forever. Yet he's got a career 109 ERA+. This isn't particularly tricky stuff. If he drops from his .386 BABIP with the Reds back down to his normal .301 range, he's a quality SP.

[JFLegal]

the reds should just shut him down for the rest of the year imo. they are completely toast at this point, and the worst thing that could happen would be bauer getting hurt down the stretch of this lost season.