Mike Leake career ERA: 4.09
Mike Leake career xFIP 3.94
Mike Leake career FIP: 4.22
Seems like he's generally been right around where he should be.
He's been basically a league average starter with a league average ERA and FIP with about as many wins as loses.
He's been durable for sure.
But for some reason you think that 104 wins is great, but 97 loses rate only an "only". He's been basically a ,500 pitcher and there is nothing unual about that.
I was perplexed because some one suggested he could easily have 17 wins if the bullpen hadn't blown so many saves, and I simply pointed out that with an ERA, FIP, xPp closer to 5, he's been quite lucky this year.
There is one thing winning 10 games giving up 4 runs per game, it's another winning 17(or even 10) giving up closer to 5 runs.
757690 (09-09-2019)
So you're suggesting a pitcher who wins marginally more than half of his games (and has the peripherals to match that record with a lifetime WAR less than 20) should be considered pretty good and can be compared favourably to a Hall of Fame pitcher with a lifetime WAR over 100, based entirely on their individual winning percentages?
Good one.
Leake is the classic case of an average major league starter, who'll give you 30 starts, go 10-10 with an ERA of about 4.00, with a WAR about 1.6.
I do think Leake is a solid major league pitcher. He's the best pitcher we've drafted in the first rd since Don Gullett in 1969. His bWAR numbers are about 3x Homer Bailey's considering that he's got 3 less yrs. These kinds of guys don't shake out of trees. He can pitch for me as part of a 5 man rotation anyday
I was comparing his W-L record percentage to Nolan Ryan. I was making the point that lots of good pitchers have a winning percentage just a little over .500. In terms of winning percentage, the two are very comparable, even though Ryan had so many other things going for him...it still didn't often translate into wins
I didn't bring up wins. I was simply responding to a post that suggested that Leake was deserving of many more wins due to blown saves. The fact that Leake was in position to win that many games is proof enough that wins are a meaningless stat, when an average pitcher having a mediocre season could potentially accomplish that.
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