Agreed - deal Bauer, Disco or Mahle if you need to use one of them to fill another hole. Those 3 are replaceable in one form or another. Castillo and Gray are not.Originally Posted by mth123
I don't hate the Seager/Pollock for Iglesias + idea. But the + would have to be some more minor pieces, Pollock's deal looks pretty bad now.
Ideally I'd just spend money on Didi, trade lesser pieces for a true CF and spend the remaining cash on the bullpen.
RedlegJake (10-14-2019)
Uhhhh....absolutely not.
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A few additional thoughts:
- Yes, Fangraphs had Seager and Castillo basically neck-and-neck in their most recent trade value series. They were wrong, and Castillo's stock has risen since, while Seager's has fallen. I'd say it take another big piece for the Dodgers to complete that deal.
- How much room do the Dodgers have after arb raises? Who will their targets be in FA? I will assume they may want to shake-up the status quo after yet another exit in the postseason. Cutting bait on Seager and Pollock would loosen up money and push their new young core (Verdugo, Lux, Bellinger) into the forefront. I wouldn't be surprised by a Kershaw trade, either.
REDREAD (10-14-2019)
On top of that you have the last two years of: TJ surgery, left hip scope, and a hamstring strain that cost him a month. Not that any of those will cause significant lingering problems but it paints him as injury prone.
His career BABIP is .336. Shifts have been prevalent his entire career. It’s more likely it rises back to his career level and that 2019 was the anomaly.
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Shifts have been increasing in adoption over the last handful of years. Sure, some teams shifted in 2016, but now everyone shifts. It used to be done for certain big hitters, now it is done for nearly everyone. In fact, data backs it up with Seager.
% of Balls in Play against the traditional shift:
2016 - 35.0%
2017 - 42.1%
2019 - 62.0%
BABIP:
No Shift: .348
Traditional Shift: .318
I omitted the non-traditional shift data on fangraphs since I believe that is random occasions such as drawing the infield in.
He also increased his FB% in 2019 compared to his earlier seasons from about 30% to 40%, which will lower BABIP. Maybe he gets some bump in BABIP going forward but it almost certainly won't be up to .350 range and probably not even the .330 range.
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757690 (10-14-2019)
Will Dodgers pursue Lindor? Sources say yes
Sources say the Dodgers are expected to pursue a trade for Indians shortstop Francisco Lindor as one possible addition to an offense that managed only a .303 on-base percentage during this month’s National League Division Series loss to the Nationals.
The Dodgers’ 2020 planning remains in the early stages, but the team is said to be more open-minded to a shakeup than in recent offseasons. Lindor, coming off a fourth consecutive All-Star selection, would bring star power, on-field energy and consistent production at shortstop.Incumbent shortstop Corey Seager would become a trade candidate -- though perhaps not to Cleveland -- if talks between the Dodgers and Indians gain momentum. Seager, 25, has yet to replicate the offensive numbers from his NL Rookie of the Year Award season in 2016, partially due to injuries. Seager spent nearly one month on the injured list this season with a strained left hamstring after missing almost all of '18 after Tommy John surgery on his throwing elbow.
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I'm not sure how much they gain by doing this. Is Lindor really that much better than Seager? Other than having a healthier track record and slightly more power, i just don't see it. They're the same age, their career OPS is almost identical... Lindor obviously brings the star power, but LA will have to pay for it.
If the Reds have any kind of a chance to bring in Seager, I'd be all for it, as long as it doesn't involve Castillo.
DocRed (10-28-2019)
Take out 2018 when Seager was injured and they had almost identical WAR's in 2016, 2017 and 2019 c. Seager 15.6WAR and Lindor 16.1WAR. Lindor is better defensively but Seager actually has the higher career OPS.
Reds finally have a decent rotation and developed a near top of a rotation starter and we're already talking about trading him for another teams "lost faith in" player(s). I like the idea more of eating Pollock to lower the cost and getting rid of Iglesius.
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If they Dodgers are wanting to trade Lindor, woudn't Cleveland want Seager back in return?
...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.
That's not really their MO. They want prospects like the haul they got for Bauer.
Would anyone be cautious of Seager's ability to make the throws that are required of a short stop after surgery?
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It's an absolute pipe dream, but lets say the Reds could trade for Lindor....that fixes a whole lot. He is a true difference maker, and if you are going for it next year, go get him. Seager is better than what the Reds have, but he isn't an MVP caliber player.
The way I see it, there isn't really a lot out there that is going to move the needle. You go get a top flight guy like him and things start to look a whole lot different. People say Seager and Lindor aren't much different....yeah they are.
Trade for Lindor, sign Grandal, and pick up a veteran center fielder. Move Senzel to 2b.
REDREAD (10-31-2019)
I hope the Reds hold off on major trades until they've tried free agency. They can look into things, sure, but optimally they will use cash as their main currency this off-season. That may not work, but I'd like them to try.
The team has a limited number of top prospects and strong starting MLB talent. I'd hate to see them dilute that talent base too much more; they already have in deals already consummated. Especially if the return is a short-term player.
For a player like Seager or Lindor the asking price will be astronomical. We've already experienced trades with the Dodgers. And Cleveland drives a hard bargain, for example, in the Kluber discussions last off-season. And with Bauer. Not sure Reds will come out ahead pursuing those guys.
So be active, look for immediate help, but try as much as possible to avoid mortgaging the future -- or at least don't mortgage too much of it. I'd rather they spend the extra bucks this time around.
REDREAD (10-31-2019)
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