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    Good god, this 3-way deal absolutely reeks for the Reds.

    Kevin Jarvis!?!? No thanks.

    Dunn is no where near a decent 1st baseman, that is obvious from watching him in person play 1st.

    Jr is not going to play first, nor should he.

    WMP was not good in the OF last year. I've never seen a MLB player take all the indirect routes to get to the ball as he does. He does not read the ball off the bat well at all. His speed helps him make up for his initial mental mistakes.

    IMO, Smitherman is not ready for the majors. He is definitely not withering on the vine.
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    10/31/03 Kris Benson, who missed the second half of the season with a shoulder issue, has completed a light throwing program and won't begin throwing again until December. Benson saw shoulder specialist Dr. Craig Morgan last week and was given a clean bill of health. He never did undergo surgery for his problem, which was just believed to be tendinitis.
    Benson comes with a lot of questions. I know McClendon has had issues with Benson. Is Benson really injured worse than this last report, since he hasn't pitched since 07/18/03? Could he have pitching well before the end of the year, but because of the issues between Benson/McClendon the Pirates kept him out? Did the Pirates keep him out because they were out of it anyway and hoped the rest would get him ready for next year? Anyone trading for him, I would hope would have all the updated physical history.

    Benson, who just turned 29, will be in the last year of his four year contract next year and will make $6.1M, but if he makes all of his incentives, he'll make $7.1M.

    This trade rumor makes more sense than the Jarvis rumor. If they want FeLo also, then I would expect a low minor leaguer to accompany Benson to the Reds.
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    Originally posted by malcontent
    Considering position played, contract status, and detriment to the development of other, younger players, I'd say Casey is a lot worse than Jarvis. What's more, the Reds wouldn't necessarily have to hand Jarvis a starting spot. One can only imagine the wailing and gnashing across Redsland if they actually sat Casey.

    I'll also go on record to say that Jarvis is a bright enough guy that he just might go against all expectations and trends and have a good year or two.

    Then again, I'm also waiting for Jimmy A. to surface...
    Jarvis worse than Casey

    Jarvis bright enough

    Jarvis having a good year

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    Agreed. Wily Mo and Smitherman both need time on the big club next year.

    To make that deal work, I'm asking for two of Xavier Nady, Cory Stewart, Dennis Tankersley, Ryan Doumit, or Bobby Bradley from PIT and SD.

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    The Reds would have a tough time justifying trading the Mayor for a journeyman pitcher.

    Now, if it netted a deal similar to the Boone deal, I don't think fans would be that upset.
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    Don't see why we need to add Lopez to the deal. If the Pirates really want Casey, make if Casey for Benson.
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    You want a three-way deal with this thing? What about this...

    Reds trade Casey to Pittsburgh for Kris Benson.

    Pirates then deal Kendall to San Diego for Jarvis.

    Jarvis replaces Benson in the rotation while Casey mans lst base for the Bucs. The Pirates save 3 million in salaries with this deal. Of course, the Bucs and Padres have to agree how much money the Bucs will send to offset Kendall's contract.
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    Originally posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC
    Kevin Jarvis, huh? Haven't we seen enough of him, already? Although it might free up some pocket change for Lindner and Co., that trade would be a tough sell for 2004. Kevin Jarvis. Now there's a player that will put some fannies in the seats. Matter of fact, the Reds PR department could probably build their whole 2004 marketing campaign around him. "Come see the "re-runs." It's probably the only "runs" you'll see this season.
    Yep. Jarvis for Casey would look like a joke to a lot of Reds fans. Not only is Jarvis a former Red who was unsuccessful in his time here he also would look like a retread to fans too. I'm not saying it's a bad deal but the Reds are going to have some 'splaining to do to the fans if they traded Casey for Jarvis.
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    OK, boys and girls. Let's get this thread back on the subject.
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    I guess I didn't make myself clear. :mad:
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    I ask for more than the original deal. Steve Smitherman is not worth "making room" for. He's basically a 25 year old who tore up double a, then sucked in triple a and the majors. Big deal. Wily Mo Pena should get more playing time, but should still be a fourth outfielder for the time being.

    Kevin Jarvis is a Major League Nothing. He's below replacement level. The major league equivalent to your neighborhood crack dealer: the community is better off without him.

    Basically, the Reds would be paying $4.75 million to buyout Casey's contract.

    No thanks.

    Here's a better idea: Get a good right handed batting infielder that he can platoon with, and allow him to get some rest on occasion (yeah, yeah I know he had a better year against lefties... that's called a fluke). Bring in a batting coach that can help him get back his doubles stroke.

    Or look for a better deal.

    At least Casey gets on base.
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    I know that people on this thread have said that the Pirates have an interest in Casey. But I also know some people at the Pirates, and they have repeatedly told me over the last several years that the Littlefield crew does NOT like him. They don't care that he's from Pittsburgh. If savafan's reports are accurate, then most likely they are more interested in dumping other contracts than they are in acquiring Casey in particular.
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    I'll also go on record to say that Jarvis is a bright enough guy that he just might go against all expectations and trends and have a good year or two.
    Is this similar to when you went on record that Jimenez wouldn't cut it becuse his 'eyes' didn't have the look of life that you were comforable with.

    I'd say Casey is a lot worse than Jarvis.
    You can say it all day, now proving it is where your problem lies.

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    Guys, in case you are wondering, last season Jarvis was 4-8 with a 5.87 ERA. The league batted .304 against him. He has a career
    5.83 ERA..

    I know some are touting all the payroll flexiblity trading Casey would bring.. but what exactly are we going to spend it on?

    Based on the past, it's very unlikely the Reds will shop for free agents that would actually be impact players.. their MO is to just grab cheap, filler free agents..

    Well, maybe we could use that payroll flexiblity to trade for a young up and coming pitcher in 2005 that is hitting arbitration.. well, what do we have to trade for a Vasquez-like pitcher in 2004?
    The farm is pretty bare..

    I know you can make a strong arguement that in theory the freed up Casey money will lead to a brighter future, but the reality is that it might just be another step into Milwaukee-land and the goal of a 30 milllion dollar budget.

    I know Casey has been disappointing, but this trade has major disaster written all over it.. Until the Reds start actually spending some of their "flexiblity", it's going to be hard to sell the fans on trading Casey for a scrub.

    Remember, the 2005 budget is influenced by the 2004 attendence... (at least according to Allen).
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    Originally posted by M2

    REDREAD, look at what the White Sox dealt for Bart Colon or what the Phillies dealt for Kevin Millwood. The Reds can beat that, easy. What you need is the cash to take on that kind of contract.
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    This is a good point.
    However, both Millwood and Colon came cheap in trades
    partially because they were one year away from free agency.
    A move like that is great when you are close to contending.
    It would've been great for 2003.. plugging in Millwood/Colon
    instead of our sorry parade of #5 starters might've kept us
    in the race long enough to avoid a fire sale.

    However, it 2005, we're probably far away from
    contending.

    The Reds are at the point now where they have to accumulate
    as much talent as possible. If they do trade for pitching,
    it has to be pitching talent that will be around for awhile.

    That's why I'm not really high on the idea of Casey for Jarvis.
    There's a pretty big deficit in talent there. Casey certainly isn't
    the top 1b in the league, but he's a lot better than Jarvis.
    I don't think anyone is arguing that. The whole reason you'd
    trade Casey is for the hope of pay-flex in 2005-2006..
    But in those years, we'll likely still be in a talent gathering
    phase.. Could we realistically expect the payflex money to be
    dumped into the draft or on Latin/Cuban players? If we could expect
    that, I'd be more inclined to accept this deal.

    Or if we could get a useful player for 2004.. not necessarily great,
    but useful, then I'd be more inclined to like this deal.

    But it looks to me like we're trading Casey for one year of a black
    hole and no promises that the payflex won't be used to "cover raises",
    as it always has in the past.

    If the farm system was loaded enough to give us legitimate hope for 2005,
    I'd be more optimistic as well.. (that the payflex could make an impact
    in 2005)..
    Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2010-2014!

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