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    Last Cuts -- updated 3/31

    Well, let's have some predictions. I'll start but am never right on these things.

    Olmedo, Valentin, Cruz, Christiansen get sent down. Clark and Hummel both make it. Theory is with injuries Reds need guys who can play positions, so Clark and Hummel better than Cruz and Valentin. (Freel not mentioned; now a starter.)

    Van Poppel, Matthews, and Bong sent down. Reith, Riedling, Sanchez, Jones, Norton all make it joining Graves and Wagner in pen. 12 pitchers.

    Unless there is a trade.

    I think that gets it to 25 with Larson on DL.

    Why am I wrong?
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    Reith, Riedling, Sanchez, Jones, Norton all make it joining Graves and Wagner in pen. 12 pitchers.

    I don't think Riedling will make it. I think he will be sent down in favor of Van Poppel, and will then be traded probably before opening day. I heard on rotoworld.com that the Marlins are interested in him and may make an offer. I'd like Justin Wayne back in return, please.
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    Re: Last Cuts?

    lets see.

    i have the same first name as the reds manager so i probably should have some special insight. but i dont =(

    casey
    jimenez
    larkin
    hummel
    dunn
    griffey
    kearns
    larue

    lidle
    wilson
    haynes
    acevedo
    harang

    graves
    reidling
    van poppel
    wagner
    norton
    sanchez

    freel
    miller
    pena
    castro
    olmedo
    clark

    im not sure why you break camp with 12 pitchers when it's often heard that with all the early off days one can go with 4 starters. seems contradictory to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seven and chang
    im not sure why you break camp with 12 pitchers when it's often heard that with all the early off days one can go with 4 starters. seems contradictory to me.
    That's sometimes true, but not this year. As I read the schedule, and including the end of spring training, the Reds only have four off days in April, including a 15-day stretch with no off day. That's about typical for a month. Which raises the question of whether Miley wants to carry 12 all year, or if this is just a "until things settle down" solution. The latter, I hope -- carrying 12 pitchers all year = trying not to overwork the bullpen = the starters are getting shelled.

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    Seven, good post. But if the Reds go with 11 pitchers and 6 bench players, I'd expect Valentin or Cruz to make it as a lefty pinch hitter (as VanderWal was supposed to be). I agree on the 12 pitchers, but Reds seem to want 12.

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    Re: Last Cuts?

    heres is my team:

    Lidle
    Wilson
    Harrang
    Acevedo
    Sanchez
    Graves
    Wagner
    Norton
    Bong
    Jones
    Van Poppel
    Reidling

    Casey
    Jimenez
    Larkin
    Freel
    LaRue
    Kearns
    Griff
    Dunn
    Pena
    Clark
    Valentin/Miller (not sure yet)
    Castro
    Hummel

    DL: Haynes, Larson
    Nothing to see here. Please disperse.

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    Norton has pretty much stunk up the joint during ST; IMHO, he doesn't deserve to make it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamBoone
    Norton has pretty much stunk up the joint during ST; IMHO, he doesn't deserve to make it.
    To give him some credit, he picked it up after his first few outings. I'd keep him.
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    Oh man do I hope Haynes is DLed, but I haven't heard that mentioned in awhile.
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    Re: Last Cuts?

    Jimenez
    Dunn
    Griffey
    Kearns
    Casey
    Larkin
    Freel
    LaRue

    Lidle
    Wilson
    Acevedo
    Haynes
    Harang

    Sanchez
    Matthews
    Riedling
    Reith
    Wagner
    not sure who i hate less...Van Poppel or Jones

    Miller
    Pena
    Castro
    Cruz
    Hummel
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    Re: Last Cuts?

    Can we just get rid of Haynes, please? He's a waste of a roster spot that could actually be used for someone who may be able to contribute

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw
    Can we just get rid of Haynes, please? He's a waste of a roster spot that could actually be used for someone who may be able to contribute
    I think this topic has been covered in about another 10 threads I don't think there needs to be another.

    As for the roster I sure hope that hummell is not on it but my guess he will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw
    Can we just get rid of Haynes, please? He's a waste of a roster spot that could actually be used for someone who may be able to contribute

    Amen to that, I have zero faith in that guy . He reminds me of some of those scrubs we had a few years ago when all we had to do was look to see who was pitching to tell if they would win or not the day before the game was played.

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    If Haynes has his first 3 starts like last years, the Reds should dump him immediately and bring up a young arm, they shouldn't care what the guy makes. The Reds wouldn't even have to bring up Claussen or Bong right away, they could bring up Etherton or Austin until those guys are ready. I just can't see anyone wanting to trade for a guy like Haynes at the deadline, even IF he had a decent season. Surely there will be better arms than Haynes come trade time. The guy should feel fortunate to be in ML baseball, after the horrible season and coming into ST out of shape the guy should have been shown the door right then. JMHO....I'm sure it is shared by many...


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    Re: Last Cuts?

    Larue
    Casey
    Jimenez
    Larkin
    Freel
    Kearns
    Griffey
    Dunn

    Miller
    Castro
    Hummel
    Cruz
    Pena

    Lidle
    Wilson
    Acevedo
    Harang
    Haynes

    Sanchez
    Van Poppel
    Reith
    Norton
    Jones
    Wagner
    Graves

    Reassigned to Louisville: Olmedo, Clark, Valentin, Christensen, Bong

    Released or signed to minor league contract: Matthews

    Traded to Marlins: John Riedling (I'd ask for Mike Neu in return, the Reds' reliever grabbed from us last year by Oakland in the Rule 5 Draft)

    On the Bubble: Hummel. He'd go down to Louisville anyway once Larson comes off the DL in April, so his spot could just be ceded to Clark or Valentin, or else a 'tweener cast off by another squad over the next week.

    Likewise, if we can land Neu for Riedling, I'd think twice before elevating Jones to the 40-man roster. I recognize the rationale for carrying 12 pitchers on the staff. Our bullpen looks a little raggy and loaded with guys who have shown some promise but not so much consistency. Still, 11 pitchers ought to get us through the spring, assuming we can sound a gong and rapidly bring up a Neu-Bong from Louisville.

    If we're going to pad, let's flesh out the anemic bench. Dunn's on fire, but Kearns, Griffey and Jimenez haven't exactly hit their stride as yet.


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